What reason could there possibly be why most all scientists agree man made global warming is real?

Proof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

The wiki article is simply a collection of easily checkable facts, not opinions.

So why? The only alternatives I can see is that it's real, they're dumb, or they're engaged in a gigantic conspiracy.

We're talking thousands of scientists all around the world, most of who don't know each other. And the history of science is marked by the exposure of scientific frauds.

If this "conspiracy" just happened, why now, and never before? Why are most all world leaders buying into it? Surely they've heard about the "skeptics". Most corporate leaders too. Are they also dumb or in on the conspiracy?

Should right wing blogs be trusted more?

Or is man made global warming real? Seems like the ultimate no brainer to me.

2008-01-25T07:06:33Z

Pete B - The number of "skeptics" in the scientific community is tiny. Even scientists who make no money off of global warming agree it's real. Chemists, physicists, etc. EVERY major scientific organization agrees.

2008-01-25T07:08:16Z

Charles G - Show me a fact in the wiki article that's wrong. Some wiki articles are opinions, some have been disputed, but this one is simply a collection of easily checkable facts. Go look.

2008-01-25T07:11:48Z

gerafalop - Your answer is contradicted by the fact that most all scientists NOT getting funding for global warming also agree.

"The fact that the community overwhelmingly supports the consensus is evidenced by simply going to talk to scientists. You can argue whether the consensus is correct, or what it really implies, but you can't credibly argue it doesn't exist."

NASA's Gavin Schmidt

2008-01-25T07:32:26Z

shapeshifter - It's not only the IPCC, it's EVERY major scientific organization.

The contribution of the urban heat island effect has been studied extensively. Just one here, whose title indicates the results of all:

Large-scale warming is not urban, David E. Parker, Nature 432, 290 (18 November 2004) | doi:10.1038/432290a;

2008-01-25T07:40:50Z

Walter Kurtz - There are some issues about details, but not so much about the reality of mostly man made global warming.

And some stuff is just outrageous "spin" from right wing blogs. Take "salty". The two studies said that on the whole oceans were getting saltier but that the surface was getting more salty due to increased evaporation rates. There was no contradiction here at all.

The effect on hurricanes is a legitimate controversy, but most scientists on both sides still agree that global warming is mostly man made.

2008-01-25T07:43:37Z

Lester P - Your flat earth example is great - for global warming science. Some 2000 years ago Eratosthenes measured the diameter of the Earth. Once the data was in scientists agreed the Earth was round. Only ignorant "skeptics" who ignored the data thought it was flat.

2008-01-25T07:51:47Z

Oops. On the Walter Kurtz response there's a typo. It should be "on the whole oceans are getting less salty". Sorry.

2008-01-25T08:35:26Z

Wonderful etc. - US scientists are out to cripple the US economy? That's beyond conspiracy. These guys out to cripple the US economy too?

"Former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich challenged fellow conservatives to stop resisting scientific evidence of global warming"

"I believe there is now more than enough evidence of climate change to warrant an immediate and comprehensive - but considered - response. Anyone who disagrees is, in my view, still in denial."

Ford Motor Company CEO William Clay Ford, Jr.

"The science of global warming is clear. We know enough to act now. We must act now."

James Rogers, CEO of Charlotte-based Duke Energy.

2008-01-25T16:17:09Z

eric c - I think the Bray and Storch "survey" is crap. Online, respondents were self selected, no checking of credentials, preferentially advertised to "skeptics". More:

"Since the survey was anonymous, there is no way to ensure that only climate scientists participated and no way to prevent people from submitting the survey multiple times. Furthermore, the survey was distributed on the climatesceptics list which has over 200 members, almost all of them strongly skeptical about global warming. Since the total number of participants was just 557, this could seriously skew the results. I don’t believe that the results of this survey are representative of the views of climate scientists." Tim Lambert

Bottom line - this is not at all convincing.

Oreskes survey of the actual scientific literature is FAR more persuasive.

Earl Grey2008-01-25T07:25:59Z

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I hear ya, this forum is blowing my mind. I have never seen such organized misinformation in my life anywhere except for intelligent design proponents. What profound arrogance does it take for a lay person to think they can come up with a 5 second answer that trumps mounds of peer reviewed science journal articles. "Its cold outside", "have you ever heard of the sun" etc.... I am hoping these are teenagers or children who have borrowed daddy's computer.

Follow the money (as the denialists say). The one's who have the most to lose are the one's with the loudest voices- the right wing pundits and talk show hosts who champion corporate interests. They feel incredibly threatened by all this and can't speak a sentence without mention "Al Gore" with disgust, as if Al Gore single handedly invented the idea of global warming and hypnotized thousands of free thinking scientists to believe him will nilly.

No, all you see on the flip side is ignorance, distractions, character assassinations and purposeful misinformation. Even right wingers like Thomas Friedman and Newt Gingrich have publicly declared that the right wing's pointless denial of AGW is going to end up hurting them.

Let us just pause to remember that the U.S. has some of the lowest, if not THE lowest science and math scores in the developed world. This is perfect fodder for propaganda. Their minds are easily susceptible.

Anonymous2008-01-25T08:49:57Z

Hi Bob, i noticed you don't say 99%. Good job. Later bro.

oh, here is a repost on the "Conspiracy Theory" thingie.

Oh my you finally brought up the “conspiracy theory” in a question. So where do I start? You are talking to the same crowd that usually does not believe in conspiracy theories. Let’s face it the good theories like “The Luna landing was faked” and “Kennedy was shot by multiple people” are already taken by the left side of the fence. Usually they are the ones that are a little radical on the left side. The ones on the side of the fence, that don’t believe global warming is man made, are quite a different crowd. They are usually a little conservative and closer to the middle of the road. Do we believe scientists? Yes. However this whole thing is being blown out of proportion by the press, politicians, and bureaucrats. Do any of them lie to us? Only when their lips are moving! The press loves this because bad news sells, the politicians have a great political forum and the bureaucrats need their jobs. Do they lie, not necessarily; they just propagate off each other. It is pretty common. Now too many people have jumped on this bandwagon. People get all emotional about the issue which propagates it further. We have proof in society that this happens, Just look at the McCarthy and his which hunts, Americans became crazy with the anti-communist propaganda. Or how about how George Bush worked up the American public after 9/11, every one was so ready to accept the Patriot Act that they never considered the consequences. He was able to ride that wave of Patriotism from Afghanistan right into Iraq. That, my friend, is what is going on here.

eric c2008-01-25T09:29:24Z

In 2003 two German environmental scientists, Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch conducted a survey of climatologists from all over the world. Bray is a research scientist at the GKSS Institute of Coastal Research in Geesthacht, Germany. Von Storch is a climatology professor at the University of Hamburg and director of the Institute of Coastal Research. More than 530 climate scientists from 27 different countries provided numerical answers each time the survey was conducted. All responses were anonymous.

The question “do you agree or disagree that climate change is mostly the result of anthropogenic (man made) causes?” Slightly more than half (55.8 percent) of climate scientists surveyed agreed, 14.2 percent were unsure, and 30 percent disagreed. So it is not 99% as you have claimed in the past.

Of those that strongly agree only 9.4% strongly agree. In other words on 9.4% are of the opinion that AGW is a no brainer as you have also stated in the past.

It is important to note that the heatland institute did not commission this study. They are just interpreting the facts. If you think they are misleading in their interpretation please state so, and do not attack the heatland institute.
http://downloads.heartland.org/2086111.pdf

Rio2008-01-25T08:21:27Z

(Bob) I read the first link in part and got a little bored.I don't really want to split hairs...not my thing.I noticed they didn't included individual or self selected scientist.The assessment factors had a wide variability, so much as to make it pointless.That was just a scan and I didn't go into depth.
For the gist of your question I've always agreed with the awareness factor.This also means checks and balances need to be placed...no argument there.But I also know
explaining interactions will take more then man has to offer.

Edit:(1) Yes I will agree with one mad self proclaim scientist. "It is laughable". One simple request from the rest of us...Being that you have these God like powers and arrogance above reproach....why don't you just make another planet? I'll even make it simpler then that... create a blade of grass.

Edit:(2) This was directed at a poster and not you. I've read some really lame stuff from this individual.

Edit:(3) There's a lot of poster's that are confused about CO2 verses CO....big difference.

Anonymous2008-01-25T08:15:27Z

I wouldn't call it a no brainer it just happens to be the best explanation.. but does that actually make it so. There are good skeptic papers (very few and far between) and there are some AGW papers to hit home as well. This is the best theory at the moment, but I'm sure something else will come up in the near future that will propose a different cause that everyone else will jump to. I'm still not sold on the theory. Also you have to know that once a certain theory gets as much credit as the AGW theory then everyone has no choice but to jump on and agree. Especially politicians and world leaders, they definitely have to jump on board or face harsh criticism and possibly be forced to change there point of views. As far as the scientific organizations, well that must be there belief, but does it actually make it fact. There's plenty of unsolved mysteries in the scientific world, science changes everyday, one theory that you have believed to be right for centuries can be found to be incorrect in a blink of an eye. Also the problem with most scientist including myself, they can't fathom not knowing how something works, and there is still so much that we do not understand about the atmosphere and other physical aspects of the environment, that for once it may be in the best interest to say that GW at this time and age that some things just can't be explained. But for the sake of pollution and being environmentally friendly, we should adopt these green ways to save money and energy, but I'm not sold on it curving the temperature.

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