Why do people assume that high school teaches good social skills?
Seriously, every time someone on this board asks anything that has any slight relationship to social skills or whether people should try homeschooling, people come streaming out of the woodwork, saying that high school teaches good social skills. This isn't even a complaint about people who think that homeschooling creates anti-social loaners, what I want to know is why they (or you, if you are one of them) think that high school is a good place to learn social skills?
High school traps people in cliques, allows bullies to harass (or do worse) in ways that would be illegal if they weren't in school, is more racially segregated than almost anything else (yes, much more than private schools), does nothing to help shy kids become less shy, and everyone they meet is from the same basic background as they are.
So where's the good part?
2008-01-29T18:06:59Z
Um, just to be clear, I'm speaking as a someone who went to public high school (and it wasn't that long ago...I'm 25). I was painfully shy and, if it hadn't been for my theatre elective and after-school theatre group, I would have been completely isolated, even in a school with 1500 students. And I went to a *good* school. I didn't really learn to socialize until college.
Anonymous2008-01-29T19:07:12Z
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Why do they...
I think *some* people confuse social skills with conformity.
I think *some* people confuse being up to date and into pop culture an important part of social skills.
Others are just: 1) trouble makers; 2) uninformed; 3) politically motivated; 4) have their own personal (family relationship) problems; and so on.
I think the naysayers are some combination of the above.
---- I came across this rather old Q&A that seem relevant and I'll quote part of the question detail:
Social skills are the skills that enable a person to interact and communicate with others in a meaningful way. Social skills are closely allied to Emotional Intelligence (EI)- a kind of intelligence or skill that involves the ability to perceive, assess and positively influence one's own and other people's emotions. In order to interact effectively with others, one has to be able to monitor and control one's own emotional state.
There are a number of attributes or skills that can generally be included:
* The ability to remain appropriately calm in social situations. * 'Active' listening skills * Feeling empathy with other people * Rapport building skills. * Appropriate degree of self disclosure. * Appropriate eye contact.
--- If you use the above list as a benchmark ... well, you should get the picture.
Another thing that I find interesting is that we and other homeschoolers we know make a conscious and specific effort to teach social skills - manners, behavior, behavior with the opposite sex, work ethic, etiquette, etc.
Well I understand completely about homeschool.. schools are scary nowadays but the thing that worries me about homeschool is I have seen some that don't teach their children properly. I have recently started college albeit a lil late in life cause I am 30.. but anyway I seen a few kids there and they were having trouble getting the classes they needed because they basically had to take lower classes because they couldn't make a good enough grade on their placement exam. The reason being they weren't taught enough.. they were so far behind the public school kids. So thats my take on homeschooling.. it is an awesome thing if you actually teach your kids what they need to know. This day and age you have to have a good education and all I'm saying make sure if you do homeschool your kids that you give them a fighting chance.
wow what a good point of view. If you children are going to church, little league etc. I suppose home school should be better. However to answer your question as to why? I suppose some know they would never put that much effort into their kids so use it to justify that. Some just plain have negative things to say about what is different. I always knew it would be good but also knew I would screw it up so never tried but admired those who did. Also the main benefit of public schools would be to allow your children to learn the skills needed to cope with the negative issues you list above. I went to public school but my Mom was very isolating. I could not play with anyone with divorced parents, anyone who's parents drank-even socially or anyone who did not profess to be Christian- and don''t even get me started about trying to have a friend whose parents didn't live in the right neighborhood. Needless to say to this day at 41 I have few friends, don't handle rejection well-everyone I was around was a kind Christian person and most were Adults so I struggle with just accepting that "hey, some people just don't have perfect social skills" so I guess home schooling could do the same thing. Kids need to learn they can have good values and still accept and live around and even be friends with those that don't.
The reason you didnt learn to socialize in high school is that high school just doesnt truly reflect real life. Being bullied, disrepected as a person, and living in fear does not build self esteem. I went to public school, dropped out at 16 because I hated the whole anti-social aspect of it all, it was not real to me and it left me numb. I did however start living and 'socializing' after that, worked and went to college. I was in classes with people of all ages and I loved it. If you people are going to tell me that being bullied, beat up or sexually harassed at your workplace is ok and glad you experienced all those negs in high school to prepare you for the real world, you are full of bull. If someone does that at work they will be demoted, sued or fired. ooops I dont think I was supposed to answer this question considering the asker wanted to hear from those that support socializing in HighSchool, sorry I have no good parts.
I hear you. I was shy all through school and never went anywhere but a public school. I'm by nature an introvert and it wasn't helpful in school; school made it worse. I became much more comfortable socially in university--totally different setup for socializing. I'm not sure what I would supposedly have missed out on if I hadn't been in school during that time.