Can anyone name a major scientific organization that says the current global warming isn't real or is natural?
These say it's real and mostly caused by us.
The National Academy of Sciences, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Institute of Physics, the American Chemical Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Meteorological Association, etc.
2008-04-25T07:31:14Z
LISS - Those all all right wing "think tanks". Got one that bats in the same league with the long established SCIENTIFIC organizations I cited?
2008-04-25T07:32:56Z
mt_zion - C'mon. At least I can say the organizations I cited are unbiased without melting into a puddle. :-)
2008-04-25T08:00:21Z
Nice Lady - And this is about THE most scientific approach to an issue I've seen. It may be the most peer reviewed scientific paper in history. Download any chapter that appeals to you and check it out. Compare its' quality to that of the "skeptics".
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
2008-04-25T08:03:29Z
Liss - Great reference on the organizations you cited. I urge everyone to read it.
2008-04-25T09:54:25Z
Anyone who wants the scientific proof can see this:
J S - The journal staff (actually the editorial board) wasn't fired. They quit when the publisher refused to apologize for publishing the Soon and Baliunas paper, although he acknowledged it was wrong.
blphnx2008-04-27T13:16:02Z
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Bob, easy... The answer is there are NONE.
I've been pointing this out for years...
"No remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change (that being some proof, too bad people are too stubborn or dillusional for that to mean anything).
I saw that Dana beat me to the answer this time (good job Dana), but that's the short of it, it's not necessary to meniton the last major scientific organization that decented and reversed their position.
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I'm glad to see you guys use this kind of information which should be putting an end to this ridiculousness that global warming is somehow a hoax or something.
In any case, I know you guys hate it when I go on and on but I'm going to again, this time because of 'Liss's comment, I feel I have to address this nonsense that there are any scientific organizations that support the myth, that Global Warming is a myth... So this is to her and her skeptic buddies... (I'll shorten my answer later)...
Liss -
Well first of all, Bob asked for 'Major Scientific Organizations' not Prominent Global Warming Skeptics Organizations or ExxonMobil think tanks which is the direction you went in here.
Also, you said of the Questioner - Bob... "He's just a sheep following paid organizations blindly."
lol... I have to laugh because that's pretty funny, seeing that actually described you (not Bob) to a 'T'. All the sources you provided are intimately linked to ExxonMobil. I can see you know... worshipping the likes of Sean Hannity on the Fox News Channel, and then you come on here calling other people sheep. LMAO
I'm surprised you didn't name CEI along with those (Competitive Enterprise Institute). Why didn't you? They are all more or less one in the same, don't they deserve a mention? CEI is best know for their television and youtube spots over the years promoting carbon 'Carbon - We call it life' and criticizing Al Gore for having a large home and using jets, to get from city to city, etc as well as his film and award (all right up your alley, am I wrong?). All stupid arguments but effective for people like you who are actually distracted from the 'facts' by silliness like that. Gore for example needs to get from place to place to get the ball rolling everywhere. He buys carbon credits (money goes towards things which help to reduce the world's carbon footprint such as re-forestation projects) to offset any part of his personal carbon footprint unlike nearly 99.99999% of the rest of the people in the world. Also, no one deines that carbon is essential to life, but CO2, the gas made from carbon, acts as a GHG (Green House Gas) and when there is 'too much' or not enough, it can have a profound impact on our climate. A third of the CO2 in the world's atmosphere today has been put there by humans, taken from buried fossil fuels... meaning, it didn't not exist in our CO2 cycle naturally 200 years ago... we put it there, and very quickly on the geological timescale, and we're still introducing much more every single day - which is why there are so many people urgently trying to do something about it.
BTW - You also forgot to mention Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM), Cooler Heads Coalition and the Greening Earth Society (GES) - Incidentally, GES was founded on Earth Day 1998 by the 'Western Fuels Association' to promote the view that increasing levels of atmospheric CO2 are good for humanity. LMAO - it's so funny how corrupt people are and how people will believe anything powerful figures will tell them (proven by Milgram's Experiment - Milgram http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
The NCPA - That's really funny. First of all, that is not a scientific 'organization' at all, let alone a major one. None of the ExxonMobil funded think thanks you listed are. There are no major scientific institutions that fail to support the evidence of the present climate change influenced by human activities.
As for Fredrick Singer, can you possibly find anyone any more biased? He has been paid to support companies who made DDT, cigarettes and so on, Singer is considered a traitor for hire (literally - why do you think the oil companies hire him? It's because of his 'Big Tobacco' tactics that they also use - and people like you fall for) in the science field and when he's not selling out for money, he works on projects promoting himself and has often written for the Wall Street Journal and other publications speaking out again Kyoto and sounding off again and again that global warming isn't real and doing anything about it will hurt our economy, etc. (yeah, he'll be looked at as a real hero a hundred years form now - not!). Singer along with some others like him should be considered public enemy #1 right up there with Osama Bin Laden, Phillip Cooney, Dick Cheney, Fred Smith, Sylvan Wittwer, Frederick Seitz and Myron Ebell to name but a few. http://www.desmogblog.com/search/node/no+apology+is
Singer himself is a major supporter of coal, oil and gas and a major advocate of ideas like drilling in Alaska. The only alternative energy he supports and speaks highly about is nuclear energy. http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Heidelberg-Appeal.html
In a February 2001 letter to the Washington Post, Singer denied receiving funding from the oil industry, except for consulting work some 20 years prior. SEPP, however, received multiple grants from ExxonMobil, including 1998 and 2000. In addition, Singer's current CV on the SEPP website states that he served as a consultant to several oil companies. The organizations Singer has recently been affiliated with - Frontiers of Freedom, ACSH, NCPA, etc. - have received generous grants from Exxon on an annual basis. Singer Letter to the Editor -Washington Post February 12, 2001 It is ironic that the attempt by two environmental activists to misrepresent my credentials [letters, Feb. 6] coincides with a sustained cold spell in the United States that set a 100-year record. As for full disclosure: My resume clearly states that consulted for several oil companies on the subject of oil pricing, some 20 years ago, after publishing a monograph on the subject. My connection to oil during the past decade is as a Wesson Fellow at the Hoover Institution; the Wesson money derives from salad oil. Singer is listed as a $500 plus contributor to the Center for Individual Rights. Singer's publications include "The Scientific Case Against the Global Climate Treaty" (SEPP, 1997), "Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warming's Unfinished Debate" (The Independent Institute, 1997) Singer signed the Leipzig Declaration.
National Center for Policy Analysis has received $465,900 (on the books) from ExxonMobil since 1998.
1998 $65,900 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving Source: ExxonMobil 1998 grants list
2000 $30,000 ExxonMobil Foundation Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 2000 IRS 990
2001 $40,000 ExxonMobil Foundation Source: ExxonMobil 2001 Annual Report
2002 $30,000 ExxonMobil Foundation Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Annual Report
2003 $75,000 ExxonMobil Foundation Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Corporate Giving Report
2004 $75,000 ExxonMobil Foundation Source: Exxon Giving Report 2004
Founded in 1984, The George Marshall Institute primarily focused on defense issues, advocating funding for Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative and Star Wars. GMI has since branched out and is one of the leading think tanks trying to debunk climate change.
The Institute is partially supported by the Exxon Education Foundation and American Standard Companies. And receives a wide-range of donations from conservitive donors, Exxon being one of the biggest.
George C. Marshall Institute has received $715,000 (on the books) from ExxonMobil since 1998.
1999 $50,000 ExxonMobil Foundation 'support for science and public policy education programs' Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 1999 IRS 990
2000 $50,000 ExxonMobil Foundation general support Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 2000 IRS 990
Consensus does not constitute proof. Name one legitimate Sicientific organization that has stated that "Global Warming" has been PROVEN to be our (mankinds) fault and simply not just part of the natural weather cycles. Scientific Consensus said there was no such thing as the Mountain or Lowland Gorilla. Scientific Consesus said the Coelacanths had been EXTINCT for over 6 million years until fisherman were bring up live specimens Scientific Consesus said all dinosaurs were cold blooded, now that opinion is changing. Scientific Consesus said that man would never fly, orbit the earth or walk on the moon. Opps Science proved itself wrong there too. Just curious, if Evolution is a FACT as you claim (I've yet to hear a scientist make that statement) why is it still called the THEORY of Evolution ? The word THEORY basically means it's not a fact yet.
Wow... at the very foundation of this whole ongoing "debate" is a total lack of understanding about science.
Yes, JELLO and others - I am referring to you. I expect more because it seems that some of you who have chosen the "skeptics" approach are intelligent folks, but you're missing some key ingredients to really be credible.
First of all you fail to realize that ALL scientists are by nature "skeptics".
Secondly, yes, scientists do not "prove" things - as JELLO always is quick to point out - there is always a degree of uncertainty... HOWEVER - that doesn't make their analyses or their methods or their BEST EDUCATED guesses based on the BEST EVIDENCE AVAILABLE any less valid.
Think of it as a scale - a scale that gets tipped one way or the other based on our understanding - and consensus. Those of you who decry the anthro-induced global climate change link are in a tough spot. All you really have is minority OPINIONS, sparse and hardly conclusive evidence (try the word "suggestive"), a conspiracy theory about the larger international scientific community having an agenda... ah what's the point... if you don't know what I am trying to teach you, you probably never will.
I think what is key is for some of you to understand is that you really aren't debating on the same terms as those who are inclined to believe the best available evidence we have right now.
And why not? What's your goal? It's bizarre. If we all fall in step with you so called "skeptics" (and you really need to look up the definition of that word) then we do nothing.
If YOU naysayers and doubting Thomases are wrong what's the consequence? It's tragic.
If us SHEEP are wrong what's the consequence? A cleaner world. Better air quality. A less consumptive and wasteful society... hmmm...
Shouldn't that be enough for you who know the REAL TRUTH to hold your toungues and let the rest of us idiots go forward in handing the planet over to the liberals and the radical environmentalists?
Would some of you please, please for me so I can believe there is hope in the world go talk to your high school science teacher and ask them again what the scientific method is all about?
It wold be unscientific to say regarding a system as complex and poorly understood as the climate that human activity is absolutely definately not a factor in climate change. Anyone examining the issue with an open mind can not completely dismiss the somewhat speclative and incomplete theories that CO2 can somehow capture significant heat and this can be considerably multiplied by various feedback mechanisms.
Absolute statements are generally reserved for statements designed to protect the rights of certain groups of people.
Like for example, all doctors either remain silent or claim It is impossible to transfer AIDS with normal social interation including children biting each other.
However you could take a look at the New Zealand Climate Change Coalition - they seem to have a healthy scepticism on the subject.
Bob, I think you are now going through your 'death throws'!
There has been more than enough information provided in the past which you refuse to believe.
To waste my time to research a few would not convince you anyway.
You claim to be a scientist, yet you don't ever seem to provide any scientific evidence, other than some websites you have found which tend to support your beliefs!
This is NOT what science is about!
If you were a true scientist, then you would accept the facts. You would not be misled by 'gut feelings, or media hype'!
I agree with KJA63 completely. We should all be doing as much as we can to conserve energy and resources, and protect our environment.
I also have to say that the internet is not the only place or even the best place to find information.
Some people actually are still able to read something called books.
I have to go now It looks like the postman has just shown up with my latest check from EXXON!