Why can't global warming deniers ever keep their story straight?
First they say, global warming isn't happening, it's cooling.
Then they say "ok it may be happening but it's not humans who are causing it"
Then they say "ok I for one think global warming is a good thing, i have no problem with seeing lush vegitation growing in greenland"
Then they say "Al Gore just wants to turn carbon tax into the official currency of NWO"
They can never produce any peer reviewed data to support their case.
Seems their kinda all over the place. The red herrings just keep building up and building up and building up.
tribeca_belle2008-07-21T05:53:41Z
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The deniers don't have any facts to back up their statements, so they have to keep changing their stories and their rationales. When all else fails they just use personal attacks.
Fighting against the weight of scientific evidence must be difficult and obviously cannot be done rationally.
Well, first the chicken littles said there was global warming. But when their "hockey stick" temperature line was proven, by peer review, to be completely false, then it became "climate change".
The problem for the chicken littles is that the Earth has / had been warming since the end of the most recent mini Ice Age. And as data has been acquired, the scientists have found NO correlation between CO2 and temperature. Temperatures haven't changed much in the past couple of years, since solar activity has quieted down after many years of activity.
No only has there never been any consensus, every time the data or the models supporting the chicken little theory has been peer reviewed, it has been shot down as seriously flawed or completely debunked.
I'll trust the scientists, not the politicians or Al Gore.
I suggest the fifty year + plans of the status quo were knocked off the axis when An Inconvenient Truth made us pay attention to their hidden agendas. So what were they hiding? Besides the peak oil and GMO issues, the failure of public infrastructure to protect lives or property, the demand for profits over persons by corporate/state entities. And if you profit from stocks in oil, that includes you. It is very difficult for many to see their own reflection as a willing participant in the imperialist acts of the government, the mass wasting of our collective affluence due to /interest//profits///love of money. Good and loyal subjects will deny any fault for crisis or consequence, it is part of the indoctrination, the nationalist curriculum, in my view. Rile us up, get a load of trouble. Of course, that deflects from the message, responsibility for the mob's actions. Suits the suits just fine, business as usual.
Sorry Suth but you are getting your information wrong.
Here is what the APS says about Lord Monckton's article:
"The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article's conclusions."
Also
The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:
"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."
They didn't get the Global Warming Deniers newsletter to give them their talking points. Afterall, no one on either side of the debate thinks for himself. You just pick a side and repeat what you're told, right? </sarcasm>
Listen, I don't have a horse in this race. All I know for certain is that there is a great deal of obsfucation in the matter. To me, the science isn't conclusive either way regarding human caused climate change. I do know quite a bit about modeling (but in quantitative finance), and I know how challenging the models are in this stuff. Anyone who wants to close discussion (or limit it to two opposing "stories") just isn't thinking deeply about the topic.
ADDITION: Even though a statement from the APS does not end debate in my mind, I have to give props to beren for posting some real, certifiable information.