Where in the Bible does it say that angels are "created beings"?
Mormons believe that Christ was our Fathers Only Begotten "in the flesh". However we believe that all of us mortals are sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father, that He is the Father of our spirits. Thus we believe that angels are simply our brothers and sisters at other (pre and post mortal) points in their existence. Thus the idea that Satan is our (and thus Christ's) brother is not a big deal. When those who freak out at this idea respond they always respond with the idea that angels (and thus a "fallen angel" Satan) are "created beings". We, of course, reject this idea because we are quite serious when we call God Father, but I am curious to see the scriptural backing of the idea of "created beings" distinguished from "children of God"
Ezekiel 28:14 is lovely, it does say created but does not distinguish between created angels and created children
John 1:3 also lovely, also true also not an answer to the question asked
MATTHEW 22 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven
Simply says that "angels" are single, not married. It says nothing about children vs creations.
REVELATION 3 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
This present an "angel" as a messenger from God yet says nothing about my question.
COLOSSIANS 1 15-17
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
This proclaims the pre-mortal messiah, Jesus Christ whom we acknowledge as Jehovah as creator. Again true, again lovely yet still not answering my question.
JOHN 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Again Christ = Jehovah = Creator
Again lovely, again true yet still not answering my question
Job:1-6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Satan was among them because he was one of them?
olivez I am going to be kind and assume that when you logged in that the responses to most of your citations had not been posted yet and I'll simply respond to the Job quote
JOB 38 4,7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Repeated rephrasing of synonyms is a standard OT poetic tool, thus "morning stars" could easily be the "sons of God"
Col 1:15 Christ is the firstborn of what group- the rest of us, His brothers and sisters?
Only Begotton and First Born at the same time?
Only Begotten "in the flesh" and First born of all Our Father's spirit children perhaps?
Sorry Fuzzy None of those scripture answer my question or demonstrate any thing to me but the points that we've already discussed, Thank you for your input.
mnm_comm... Fuzzy changed his name after he posted
and he is back my bad
So Barney, in your mind and heart our claim on God as our Father is metaphorical and breakable. This view is consistent with some of the scriptures, especially those where Christ as Creator becomes our spiritual Father and Creator through the Atonement and as our Savior. Because the title of Father is sometimes used metaphorically is it thus always metaphorical or am I really a child of God? What does your heart speak to you?
again Barney - So Satan was once our brother but is now disowned through his disobedience? I understand your righteous desire to separate yourself from him but apparently you accept the LDS position on what he(Satan) once was but no longer is- "an angel of light"
Welcome aboard Ace always welcome brother
Sasi, Thank you for your detailed answer, however much of it is premised on a Nicean understanding of the scriptures.Without the foundation of the Nicean Creed my understanding of John is as true to the text as yours. I do understand that your perspective has nearly two thousand years of tradition behind it but so does the pagan worship of Thor (not equating the two on any level but timeline) I acknowledge Jesus the Christ as First born, in His pre-eminence among the sons and daughter of our common Father. It would be equally valid to say that confusion exists between the Father and the Son (easy enough to do when the Son is in the express image of the Father) and that that confusion resulted in the Nicean Creed.
Sasi, "This is why Mormon teaching on the God-head cannot be reconciled with the Christian Trinity teaching." on that point we are in 100% agreement. However I remain without Biblical verification of the distinction between "created Beings" and "Sons and daughters of God" That was after all the question.
Danny H - I accept God as my Maker, as my Creator yet distinguish myself from the *things* that He created when I call Him Father.