If God created the universe, was there an event before he did?
Could events like creating something happen before the universe existed?
If yes, and events do not necessitate being in the universe, what was the actual first event outside of it? Would there not need to be a prior event to cause the next if events happen outside of the universe? Or was there never a first event?
If so isn't that just the infinite regress you think is being avoided by believing in god?
If there is no state of affairs, events or moments before the universe, saying "before the universe existed" is just incoherent and nonsensical. And suggesting there was such a state would be completely unfounded.
skunkgrease- That is exactly right.
Money talks- So the universe could have always existed. Nothing in your statement says it couldn't. And it isn't a matter of an infinite regress for you.
ndnqt1966- If events can happen outside of time and space, then why would they not need causes like all the events in the universe? Your statement is illogical and incoherent. Did you even think about it?
George S- You just said yes there are events before the universe. But you also said god came into existence by himself. You're contradicting yourself.
Why would god not need a prior event/moment before himself to cause him to come into existence if moments happen outside of the universe? You are doing special pleading for your god by saying only he doesn't need a cause, even where you just admitted that cause and effect still applies. It doesn't make for a very good argument. If special pleading is all the cosmological argument is, this supposedly good argument for god is rather bad isn't it...