If salvation is by faith alone, what do these verses mean?

For all of you out there who believe that salvation is by faith alone, I was honestly curious as to what you think these verses mean. I've asked this question before, but I didn't really get clear responses from "faith alone" peoples, so I'm trying again.

Matthew 25:31-46

31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. 32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in: 36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me. 41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me. 46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.

Basically, if salvation is by faith alone as you believe, then why does Christ appear to be talking about casting people into hell for not having good works in these verses?

2008-12-17T20:44:02Z

I've gotten a couple points that amount to "no, you're reading that wrong", without explanation as to why or as to what is the right way and I've gotten a couple responses that basically say "works come from faith", which is not in scripture and patently false considering all of the non-believers out there with good works.

And then we have CJ, who's "argument" was another question and who I have blocked. How did he manage to answer this question despite being blocked? Breaking the rules is a big no no, CJ. Tsk. Tsk.

2008-12-17T21:26:19Z

CJ - you want an answer to your question. fine. 17. It takes 17 works. Where did that number come from? I pulled it out of my butt because your question is unanswerable. Not because it's valid, but because it's ludicrous. Some works are better than others. Some people live longer than others. Some are more since in their works while others do it for personal gain. It changes from person to person and is affected by one's faith as well. God only know the answer to that question. You need to stop living in absolutes. Your world is a world of dichotomies, and that's just not how things work. Everywhere you look are shades of grey, and you claim that black and white is all that exists.

Dreamcast2008-12-17T20:40:47Z

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When I was a Christian, a Protestant which believed in faith alone, I never considered this verse to deeply. But I must admit it makes no sense to believe in faith alone when you have a verse practically staring you in the face that says you need lots of works.

Maggie2008-12-17T21:32:38Z

Don't quote on this yet cause I have been reading for a while now trying to get you the answer. I understand what you are saying, but I believe that in scriptures goats are refered to the lost and the sheeps are always refered to as the saved.Even tho the sheeps are the saved, it would make someone think that it takes work, but he is talking about inheriting the Kingdom, and that is where a lot of Christians get it wrong. Salvation to heaven is by faith, but the kingdom that Christ is talking about here has to do with the bride. I have been saying this for a long time, not everyone that is saved and is going to heaven is going to be his bride. Christ here is talking about the kingdom not heaven. To get into the kingdom, it is going to take righteous works. The Christians that don't have righteous works will still be saved and go to heaven, but there are going to lose the greatest reward that God has for them which is being his bride and going into the kingdom. This is why so many verses do make you think " wait what are they talking about? I thought all I had to do was have faith and believe. And that is right, but it is wrong when it comes to rewards. Whenever you come across a verse that has to do with works, that is the prize which we have to work for it, but when you run across a verse that does not require works, that is the gift, which is free. Salvation is by faith, but rewards has works. I hope I didn't confuse you too much. I will get in touch with you when I find what I'm looking for. but I'm almost sure that as I said Goats stand for the lost, and Sheeps for the saved.

averagejoe212008-12-17T21:09:15Z

O.K. Can I use another scripture in conjunction with yours to help answer this question. I have given some thought about it and this is what I decided. Salvation is not by faith alone. Faith and works are required.
In James 2:17 it says, "Even so, faith if it hath not works is dead, being alone." (I recommend going to read that chapter to put it in context) but that tells me that faith is not the only requirement. Works are also necessary.
A different look at faith causes the "saved by faith" statement make sense. There are some things that we need to do (works) in this life. Jesus says we need to feed, give drink and cover. I personally would include baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost as other works that we must do, but no matter how many good things we do in this life, there are going to be bad things that we did too. That is where faith takes us and saves us. Faith can save us, after all that we can do. Faith in Jesus Christ allows him to make up for the mistakes we haven't repented of. That is why faith is also necessary for salvation. So "Faith without works is dead," and Works without faith is dead also.

Bruce2008-12-17T21:08:08Z

Considering Jesus' teaching in Matt 25, it makes no sense to argue that salvation is by faith alone. As Jesus' teaching here emphasizes, charitable works are essential: Without them, we will be driven from God's presence into everlasting punishment.

Our Protestant friends reflexively counter with the claim that with faith, good works come automatically. If this were true, there would have been no need for Jesus, Paul, and the other writers in the New Testament to urge us to act in charity. They would have simply counseled us to have greater faith, much like the Gnostic heretics of the early centuries, who thought Christianity is something you can do in your head.

The only time the New Testament considers claims of faith alone, in James, it is rejected:

James 2:24: You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

Given the explicit rejection of the faith-alone heresy in the Bible, it is difficult to fathom why our Protestant friends continue to believe it. Apparently, they cling to an extra-biblical doctrine, in contradiction to their claim that we know God's plan from scripture alone.

In fact, there is much more to the Christian Way than faith alone. In addition, there is baptism (Mark 16:16; John 3:5), self-renunciation (e.g., Matt 5:3, 10), repentance (Matt 3:2; 4:17; 18:8-9; Mark 9:42-48), obedience to God, doing what is charitable and just (e.g., Luke 10:25-28; Matt 19:17; Matt 25), adopting the humility of a child (Matt 18:3-4; 19:14), eating the bread of life (John 6:51, 53-54), and endurance to the end (Matt 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13, Luke 21:16-18).

Cheers,
Bruce

Anonymous2008-12-17T22:51:04Z

I came here for your question and I believe you are very advanced over me but I will tell you what the verses .mean to me . I am glad I have been given the gift to have faith in God and Christ.It keeps me going daily.I think if you don't do the things he requests then your faith is not that strong.when you ask the Lord to be your savior It would be only natural to know you have to be as much like Jesus as you can.doing the things you mention .feeding the hungry,cloth thee naked visiting the prisoners and ministering to them about the Gospel.The judgment I believe is the great white throne judgment The angels have come back with the Lord and they are reaping the harvest of the souls that belong to him and dividing those that did not follow his teaching.he was complaining about the Hebrew priests because God had told told them were to always take care of the widows and orphans ,the poor. There is also the mention of the lambs book of life .Your name must be there alsoSay I have faith and believe in my faith but I will also have to answer for those things I did not do.I am encouraged to follow the teaching in the Bible.I want to share something that scares me say you have tried to live a righteous life. Not like God s righteousness and i testify how many people I lead to the Lord and he says depart from me you worker of eniqiety I never knew you.I could go on forever but I think you are already finding fault with my rambling.I do respect your opinion and I am or shall I say I never was aware so many people hated Christians.Christ was abused and paid the ultimate sacrifice in his Crucifixion.This holy blood from Gods only begotten son.that is the blood that washes your sins away.You may sin again and I think if all the nasty words come out of your mouth or losing your temper etc.God will not be mocked. We are always supposed to be uplifting to each other ,someone could be inches away from suicide and if I said something to drop them farther I believe I will answer for those. In a way we are our brothers keeper.

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