Atheists and Empiricism...?

I thought I paid the atheists a complement by explaining that they weren't rationalists:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Auvp99H.Iv_S7GIi27B5V2_d7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20090418221324AA6oEE4

Now, judging from the thumbs-down, either these folks don't know what a "rationalist" is (probably assuming that it has something to do with being rational), or they actually reject empiricism.

Now, if atheists reject empiricism, I would like to know about it - I mean, that seems to be their M.O. So maybe you guys can enlighten me on this one.

2009-04-18T22:41:30Z

Interesting - in one answer the guy actually cites his reliance on empirical evidence to substantiate his rationalism...

2009-04-18T22:44:58Z

@MOTH - lol

2009-04-18T22:47:28Z

Maybe this will help. Rationalism is the idea that reason is capable of providing information above and beyond our senses. Theologians have been using rationalism as the basis for theistic arguments for centuries. It originated with Descartes original Onological Argument. Empiricists, on the other hand, believe that our ideas must be informed by hard evidence.

2009-04-18T22:49:43Z

@Umbra - I couldn't care less what -ism you ascribe to. I'm just curious as to whether the thumbs-down come from a misunderstanding of the terminology, or a genuine complaint against being called a empiricist. You inform me - I'm not trying to label you.

2009-04-18T22:50:26Z

@Lizard - I couldn't agree more.

2009-04-18T22:52:37Z

@Eddie - dare I call your answer "rational"? Your point is well taken - I shouldn't try to draw a heavy line on this one.

2009-04-18T22:53:51Z

@Auntb - I agree. I am a rationalist, after all.

Anonymous2009-04-18T22:44:09Z

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Robert R2009-04-18T22:54:20Z

I think you're assuming that rationalism and empiricism are mutually exclusive, which is never the case. They are different brain functions, but each aids the other in understanding the universe around us. Empiricism without rationalism is merely cataloging.

But yes, I understood that your earlier answer was meant to be complimentary, and I'd imagine that most of the atheists here did too. I guessing that most of your "thumbs down" came from Christians.

auntb932009-04-18T22:52:16Z

You are playing with definitions of terms that are unfamiliar, and which have been used rather loosely in common speech, as compared to philosophy classes.

But the fact is, reason IS capable of providing information beyond our senses. Or even beyond our current instrumentation. One analyzes the data and the logic of the situation, and cross-references it with what is otherwise known (i.e., in other situations), and reaches conclusions which are only partly suggested by the evidence of our senses. The obvious example is when you see the connection between a piece of information over here and another over there, and realize that a general principle may be involved. Or when you do "thought experiments" which do not rely on empirical evidence but which are based on reason alone.

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Weise Ente2009-04-18T22:55:05Z

The word rational can have a different connotation that the philosophy of rationalism.

It's a semantics argument.

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