Does the sacrifice of Jesus honestly make any sense . . .?

This explanation is probably going to be a bit too long for most of the people here . . . but please do try. ;) I've asked this before, and found the answers unsatisfactory. So, I'm hoping to get some better ones.

First off, and it's more of a minor point, what did Jesus "sacrifice"? I mean, I understand he was tortured and killed. But in light of the reward, it's kind of difficult to call it such. He knew he was getting eternity as ruler in heaven. Right-hand of God in eternal, ultimate paradise. Sounds more like one hell of a trade-off than a sacrifice.

And then God. John 3:16 is often cited as people just go "ohhhh, don't you see how much he loves us?!" No, I don't really. What did God lose, pray tell? His son had a few terrible days on Earth. He watched his son live for 30ish years, have a few bad days, and then he got his son back, living in eternal paradise. He lent him to us, for a little while, at the very best. No sacrifice was made on God's part.

Also, God is omniscient. Surely an omniscient being doesn't experience things like we would . . . he would already know exactly how it would all play out. (Which gets more into the emotions of an omniscient being - but that's a different topic.)

Secondly, and most importantly, why did God even sacrifice Jesus? It makes absolutely no sense.

HE set up the system himself. He knew, before he even did it, that setting it up in such a way would lead to him sacrificing his son. Yet he does it anyway? What? Being omniscient, he couldn't devise something better than a paganistic sacrifice of his own child? Did he think sacrificing his son would be flashier or something? Purely symbolic?

Why not just erase mankind's sin and allow them salvation WITHOUT the sacrifice? He is omniscient and sets up the rules, after all. Any system created must be exactly as God WANTED it to be. So - he wanted humans to be unable to attain salvation until he had his son sacrificed to . . . himself? Huh? He's doing it to fix his own rules?

In short, it's nonsensical. It doesn't follow logically, to me.

In essence, God sacrifices himself, to HIMSELF, to pay himself the price that HE demanded, because HIS creation, created by HIM, couldn't live up to HIS standards . . . and he deliberately sets it up to be this way.

Does this honestly make any sense?

2009-09-27T21:21:26Z

@Silly G - - That depends. Was I certain, in my mind, that doing so would gain me eternity as the ruler of all ultimate paradise?

Your answer is full of fail. It's just one of those "you have to believe before it makes sense to have it make sense" answers. Which makes no sense.

2009-09-27T21:33:16Z

@Shinigami - - That ignores one of the main points I made. God doesn't "need" anything. Unless he's not omniscient and omnipotent - which few would claim. He DID set it up. So, the blood sacrifice was only necessary in the sense that HE made it necessary.

Culture really has nothing to do with it, unless you make the claim that the story comes only from those writing it (to which I wouldn't argue). God, for obvious reasons, would transcend culture.

And if he sacrificed his son, pointlessly, just because it might make sense to those in the area . . . seems a bit sadistic. And basically undermines the cornerstone of Christianity.

Anonymous2009-09-27T21:19:35Z

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By definition, sacrifice requires that something be given up. If Jesus did resurrect then there was no sacrifice.

Shinigami2009-09-27T21:26:42Z

If you approach the bible as you would a Shakepearian play, you may get somewhere, since there are many gaps and missing directions. Sometimes you may be reading Jesus saying something then wrapping it up with something so incomprehensible you wonder if He forgot to put some other concept in between the first sentence and the last sentence.

I cannot explain fully to you what ancient people thought about mortality/immortality, nor their philosophy on life. We only have bits and pieces and we can come to partial conclusions that are unsatisfactory at best. Even studying ancient cultures/tribal customs, it is difficult to understand why God needed a blood sacrifice.

Anonymous2009-09-27T22:44:26Z

There is not one single mention of Jesus in the entire Roman record - that is right - not one!!! At the same time as he was supposed to have been around there were a number of Jews claiming to be the messiah - all of whom are well recorded!!

There is not a single contemporary record from any source and even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!!

He was supposed to have been a huge problem to the Romans and produced wonderful miracles but still not one contemporary record?

Even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!!

Pilot is recorded in the Roman record as a somewhat lack luster man but no mention of a Jesus, a trial or crucifixion that would surely have been used to make him look brighter!!

At best he was an amalgam of those others!!

Anonymous2009-09-27T21:21:02Z

I had same questions before, same reasons. There is no logic here.
Some people only half believe without really realising what it is they believe in, and they fight to protect this half-*** beliefs.
Some people completely believe their religion and THESE ARE DANGEROUS ( think suicide bombing, praying to heal one kid instead of bringing her to the doctor, ... ).

Some other just go through the motions, without believing, but afraid to lose friends and community ties if they dont appear to be religious.

ßianca ßrezezek {ßinxx}2009-09-27T21:19:12Z

Watch the Christians spew their Holy Spirit horse ****.
In essence they say that the "Holy spirit" allows you to overcome logic...
Christianity: the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree…”

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