How many people really think anyone can do "Personal Protection" Training in dogs?

I have long believed that people will do or say anything to make themselves right on an issue where they have literally stepped in something that smells bad. I have always tried to understand that everyone makes mistakes and that includes me. Further, I hope I am big enough to admit when I am wrong.
I have made the statement on several occasion that the average pet owner is not capable of doing their own protection training in a dog, and I have gotten upset more than a few times when I see people come on and ask such questions as "How do I make my dog kill on command?" or "How do I make my Pit Bull's head bigger so he looks meaner?" or "What is the best book to buy so I can train my dog to be mean?"
Maybe I am wrong. I believe there are people who are capable of training their dogs but I also believe they need assistance and for something as important as personal protection, they most certainly need someone who is well trained in the art.
However, I will be the first to admit, though I have watched others train, and I have even assisted at times, this is not my forte. So, I would like input from you guys on the idea that anyone can train a dog for personal protection, and also, should personal protection training be promoted in the average canine?
Most of you know I am working on some rescue issues with my county right now and writing several proposals. One of the reasons I am asking this is because we have always tried to put stipulations in our proposals with the county that deals specifically with laws associated with dog training. For example: we have a stipulation right now that states anyone who deliberately trains a domesticated dog that is a family pet to attack will be fined and the dog confiscated. It is not worded exactly like that, but I think you guys get the idea.
Thanks in advance for your discussions on this.

2010-02-12T10:55:10Z

I mean TRAINING. When any dog is trained, the human counterpart should, of course, be trained to handle the dog. An example of a problem:
I was driving to the grocery store one day and encountered a teenage boy, about 19 yo, who was beating the crap out of his dog with a stick. The dog was on lead... or I should say had a rope tied around a choke collar. I stopped, of course since I deal wtih animal abuse in the county. I was told promptly: "Well I plan to be a dog trainer and this is my dog. I am training him to attack on command and protect me."
This is what I am referring to. Sadly, too many get the idea it is ok to do this.

2010-02-12T18:37:59Z

@Geramy: I think we got ouyr wires crossed here. Our stipulation is meant to protect those who have legitimate protection dogs as much as it is to stop the abuse of animals that are being trained to fight with the term "protection dog" used as a disguise. It is the same premise as registering a firearm or signing your property "Beware of the Dog" It is not meant to interfere with anyone's legitimate rights. But it is meant to stop the high school kids from walking around with a dog that was purchased as a family pet and is being beaten and tortured si they can actually take them to the underground dog fights on Saturday night. There are legitimate trainers and there is a huge difference between a protection dog and a protective dog, just as there is a difference between a family pet and a working dog. However, my question is not should they be able to, it is are they capable simply because they want to and would that be a protectiuon dog or an attack dog?

2010-02-12T18:45:03Z

@goxhunter: And again I think I worded this very poorly. Protection dogs are not confiscated from families. Dogs that are trained in the backyard to attack (not protect) are confiscated from the owner and the situation investigated. In almost every case, the dog was being trained to fight, with the exception of a few dumb kids who did not know better than to beat their dog... But people who take their dogs to proper trainers, even if it is a family pet, or people who go and learn to handle their dog are not targeted with this. As I said, I did not explain that part very well because I am more interested in the theory that anyone is capable of training a dog for protection. I am not referring to someone that goes out and actually learns to train a dog the proper way. I am referring to...say for instance a 16 year old boy decides he wants a protection dog and goes out in the backyard to train him with a book and a video of Cesar Milan.

2010-02-12T18:50:47Z

@ Curtis: I believe you got the point and commented on what I was trying to ask. As you said, can and should are two different things. When you attempt it without the proper knowledge and dog, you are in for a lot of trouble. And I totally agree. It takes a lot of time and money to do it right. Doing it right has nothing to do with a short leash and a stick in the backyard...or God forbid...the old rumor that feeding the dog gun powder will make it mean.

2010-02-12T18:57:38Z

I would like to also add, I have owned a protection dog before that was properly trained. I did not have this done, but rescued the dog after he had been poisoned. The vet was able to save him and he stayed in my rescue. I did incorporate him into my pack and he was probably the most well-behaved animal I have ever owned. I knew what he was capable of and, of course, I dod not adopt him out because I did not want him in the wrong hands. However, this dog was very playful and friendly and no one would have known from looking at him with my children what he had been trained to do. The point has been well made I think... aggression does not = protection and thank all of you for the responses. I did not give a TD. All the answers were thoughtful and gave a good insight into various aspects of the question. There were parts of the question I worded badly and that is where any problems came in. Sorry for the confusion.

Jesse2010-02-12T11:18:28Z

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Huh. The 'average' pet owner barely knows which end of the leash to use if they use one at all.

No. No one but a professional licensed in this field. Period. No arguments, no exceptions.

What I am starting to find disturbing is the videos you can access. Many of them are 'home made' and the so called 'trainer' hasn't a clue in hell what he(she) is doing. People look at them and think
"Well, I can do that!" Even with the videos that are obviously done by professionals it is still disturbing.

People are wanting dogs to 'protect' them. To 'protect' their home. Protect their children.

It is not the animal's job to protect. It is our job as the owners of these dogs to protect them, our home and children.

Unfortunately, I do believe Launi is very capable of coming to my assistance if she felt I was being threatened. It is unfortunate because she would be in my line of fire.

And I am very sorry to tell everyone this but a PP dog, no matter how deadly, is no match for a firearm.

Fionnabhair2010-02-12T12:08:45Z

Humans have a distinct advantage over dogs in the respect that they can reason, understand and learn with a much higher rate of intelligence than any dog.

I think anyone can provided they have the right temperament, personality and dedication to do so. If they were to be taught by someone more experienced in PP training, learned under their guidance and most importantly were WILLING to learn and be taught, then i think anyone could.

The problem is finding all those characteristics in most people who do want to train their dogs for PP. How many can you say have them? Hardly any.. and that is what i believe makes the difference.

Lets face it, the average person who decides to train their dog to be a guard or 'attack' dog will confine the dog to their property, encourage the dog to bark and display aggressive behaviours towards any approaching person or animal and will generally agitate the dog into such a state that it will be seen as ''very protective'' instead of a nervous wreck.

Getting the right dog to be trained for PP is paramount and not something that can be found in the local shelter. I doubt the people who do their own 'protection training' have put much consideration into the background of the dog they purchase. They will go to a shelter or byb'r and pick out/buy the biggest, meanest and toughest dog.

I do not believe the average canine will be successful in PP even if training was attempted, i am not talking about sports, but, actual protection when push came to shove. There is a reason why those dogs are so expensive, why breeding selection is done carefully and why people invest so much time and money into them. They are not breeding for pets but for dogs that may potentially save lives one day.

Here, where owning a firearm is illegal then i definitely see a use for PP dogs. If i had a reason to question my safety then i would definitely be looking into getting one, but right now, i am happy with the social, friendly, playful, furry butted creature i have..

Geramy2010-02-12T12:31:51Z

Well, you know me beth, and you know that "I" certainly don't believe that anyone should train a dog. however I do believe anyone 'can' train a dog. its a complex issue, but basically, if you wish to train your dog, you 'can' but that doesn't mean you 'should'.
as far as training personal protection dogs, I disagree with your stipulation, period, no question about it. However, details for my stance are necessary to insure that you understand why I say this.
#1. I am a believer that freedom is a must, and all people have the right to train their dogs as they see fit, so long as it does not bring harm to an innocent person/people, or ANY dog/animal (with the exception of hunting game)
#2. most people would state that a family dog is the only dog for PP (personal protection) otherwise you have an attack dog, and there is a big difference between a PP dog, and and attack dog. A personal protection dog is one that has a family which it loves, and has been trained all basic commands. it can be trained to do just about anything, but the main lessons it has received are based around how to treat strangers ( they should be trained not to be aggressive, or overly friendly) in other words, they should be quiet, and reserved with strangers.
a PP dog is not taught to 'attack' he is taught to defend. some people teach their dogs to attack on command, this is both impractical, and detrimental to a dogs psyche (which is something reserved for a different time.)
#3. a person willing to put the time and effort into learning how to appropriately train their dog should have the right to do so, they should not have to spend all the time and money on books (which they should read plenty of) and lessons (how they receive these lessons is irrelevant) and then have to go through some government agency to get 'permission' to train their dogs.
also, not all breeds are good for PP, anyone smart enough to train their dog right, knows this to be fact.

I'm not saying that you are doing anything wrong, as you didn't specify exactly how it works. I am just saying that you need to be careful, creating laws is a messy business, just be sure your not taking away a persons right to their property. some people will spend years learning about how to train their dogs, and I can tell you, many of them will not/would not, ever think to ask uncle same if its "okay" to train their dog this way.

Anonymous2016-05-18T02:26:06Z

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Shanna2010-02-12T10:57:26Z

Technically speaking, anyone COULD provided they have the knowledge, the resources, the right dog and the ability to properly handle a dog without being abusive or too soft. But how many people out there have all that? Most people don't even know how to get the right dog, let alone the knowledge and the dog handling skills. I know I could do it if I really wanted to. I know the right people to go to to help me find the right dog and develop the skills, but until I do those things then no, I can't do it.
So yes, anyone COULD but not just anyone WILL. That's the problem with saying "anyone can" is that the average person out there thinks "That means ME!" and will rush right out and do it without stopping to think that there are proper steps to take to training a personal protection dog. That's why most people end up with an aggressive mess instead of a well trained, reliable dog.
So I'm with you, I don't say anyone can do it, I say if you plan on doing it then take the proper avenues and that's where it's going to cut 99% of people out of the running because they just don't have the motivation to do it the right way.

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