Why do people think that the church is a place to learn morals?

And even more interesting phenomena is this concept that morals (and hence morality) come from "god". What basis is there for this empty claim? Why do people vehemently persist in this ridiculous assertion?

2010-07-15T22:17:04Z

@rndyh77:
You need a CHURCH to tell you not to do those things?! You need a CHURCH to tell you to love?! Are you SERIOUS?!

Anonymous2010-07-15T22:42:38Z

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Research shows that the reason humans struggle with emotion to find equitable solutions is pinpointed the region of the brain called the insular cortex, or insula, which is also the seat of emotional reactions.

The fact that the brain has such a robust response to unfairness shows that sensing unfairness is a basic evolved capacity.

The emotional response to unfairness pushes people from extreme inequity and drives them to be fair. This observation shows our basic impulse to be fair isn't a complicated thing that we learn.

It therefore fully illustrates that all humans have morals controlled by the brain and that Christians are entirely wrong to try and claim morals as their own!!!!

But Christians found a way round it!!

Government statistics show that christians are vastly over represented in prisons for sexual, violent and fraudulent crime!!

The Catholic church is paying millions in compensation for the sex/pedophile crimes of their priests alone!!

Christians are vastly over represented in the divorce courts!!

Christians invented the concept of sin and then the idea that you could sin, ask forgiveness, get pardoned and start with a clean sheet!!

So no surprise that they are so expert at it is it?!!!

A Christian is a man that feels repentance on Sunday for what he did on Saturday and is going to do on Monday. - Thomas Russell Ybarra

nshooter112010-07-16T13:57:20Z

Christians "know" that their way is the one true way, and therefore everyone else must be wrong.
For a Christian goodness is simply tied to obedience. You don't learn morals as a Christian - you are told what to do and you do it. Or you don't do it, but then you can beg forgiveness from your Lord, and everything is fine again.
I think most Christians don't even understand what morals are. Most Christians I know are liars and cheats and hypocrites. A true follower of Jesus can neither divorce someone nor marry someone who is divorced.
I'm not a Christian, and still I do not steal, cheat, kill, commit adultery, or have sex with children. I love my family. I am a good person.
I can't go to church and get all my sins repealed. I have to live with them, and deal with them. I have to accept what I have done that feels wrong in my past, and go forward with my eyes open, understanding better what I should and shouldn't do. If I just got forgiven for everything, how would I ever learn not to do bad things, and what incentive would I ever have not to do bad things? As a Christian I could do all ten deadly sins, but then confess them and get forgiveness, and have a "clear conscience"??? This is how all these child molesting bishops get to sleep at night???

Anonymous2010-07-16T05:19:04Z

They have a twisted view of morality based on what is called the divine command theory. Nevertheless, if you question them on it they will repudiate it. Suppose, for example, you point out that god could advocate child rape and then it would be good just becuase god advocated it. Most will say, "god would never order that." Well by saying "god would never" they are appealing to a morality that exists independent from god. Things are not good becuase god says them, he says them because, in his wisdom, he recognizes them to be good. While we may not claim god like wisdom, we can have a share in that insight and realize that morals exist independently from god.

Anonymous2010-07-16T05:12:51Z

Because they've been programmed to do so. Nothing about religion adheres to logical reasoning or common sense, so asking them to develop premises supporting the veracity of their claims is an exercise in futility.

Anonymous2010-07-16T05:14:56Z

Listen here mate.
I would rather have the morals of some chritians than some believers i know.
God bless.

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