Intellectual Music vs Emotional Music?

I find for all it's myriads of possibilities, music (like most art) tends to fall into 2 camps, the intellectually based, and the emotionally based.

INTELLECTUAL:tends to focus on technique, and be extremely complex, with a lot of consideration given to skill, musical theory, etc. A lot of Technical Death Metal, some Prog, Jazz and the like falls into this,. along with some Classical composers. Neo-Classical also often falls into this. Think of music that is all about blazing speed, difficult transitions and the like. Not surprisingly, this style tends to appeal to math majors, highly organized minds, those of scientific bent, etc.

EMOTIONAL or visceral music tends to be far less "composed", and can be downright simple like Punk, to usually moderately complex, but the goal is to convey a feeling or mood or atmosphere more so than it is to impress with technical proficiency and the like. Think a lot of Pop music, Rock like the Grateful Dead, Punk, some Metal, etc. Improvisational music often falls into this category.
Tends to appeal to free thinkers, artists, poets, and people who are less concerned with the "WHY THINGS ARE" than simply enjoying them.

And yes, at some point, like with every other endeavor, to varying degrees the two will meet in the middle.

MQ: Which appeals MORE to you? What makes it so appealing?
How vehemently do you espouse the "superiority" of the one over the other?
(Obviously this is not a black and white question where one can only like one OR the other, but pretty much everyone DOES fall more toward one side of the divide than the other)

MQ2- What are some of your favorite artists of your preferred style? What draws you to them?

MQ3- Do you enjoy bands from the other extreme too? If so, who?

MQ4- Did I make ANY sense at all?

BQ- But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's?

2011-03-20T19:22:29Z

@KLS81.... actually I was referring to the music alone, as the lyrics can easily go either way, as much of the most complicated Metal music ironically enough is set to some of the most banal and stupid of lyrics. Most Tech Death lyricists won't be winning any prizes for their prose.

2011-03-20T19:24:28Z

Conversely, I feel a lot of Folk and Punk writers are very very talented lyricists.

2011-03-20T19:52:23Z

Depends on the Jazz, the composer and the composition. Some is very free flowing and chaotic, some is very structured, though it is usually more along the lines of hybrids like Fusion, which very seldom are anywhere near as extemporaneous as say, Miles Davis. Didn't think I needed to explain that, hence the term "SOME" placed before the Prog and Jazz.

2011-03-20T19:57:19Z

@GESM.. actually most true"Artists" I know are not deep analyzers, they are not terribly concerned with precision, but with mood. I make some of my living in this field, so I tend to be surrounded by them. The overly "technical" artists tend to be illustrators, or even draftsman, because their addiction to perfection tends to impeded creativity, rather than help it. I am more an illustrator myself. Most of the "deep analysis" of the poets and artists I know, tends more toward Philosophy than Science. And that goes for now, the time spent in Venice Beach and Santa Barbara and my time in the "free thinking" communities in San Fran and Berkley. Contrary to what SOME would have you believe heavy pot and LSD use is not generally conducive to deep linear thinking.

2011-03-20T19:59:20Z

as for structured, ever hear of Return to Forever, Ponty or Mahavishnu Orchestra? They pretty much composed more than free styled.

2011-03-20T20:12:04Z

& Radiohead? I think it definitely falls under the "Pseudo-Intellectual" umbrella, as it is not near as complex, nor deep and meaningful as so many of the fans would have one believe. Thom is no Mozart.

2011-03-20T20:32:41Z

@GESM... actually I was referring to a certain portion of their fanbase.. you know a few of them, used to have nicknames that rhyme with Draperhag Biter and such..... I personally have nothing against the band, even if they do little for me, just certain self appointed representatives of said band. (Happens with a lot of bands, actually)

2011-03-20T20:41:15Z

Actually..I'm just enjoying the ride. =P

2011-03-20T21:31:05Z

I would never say something hurtful about anyone.

2011-03-21T18:57:47Z

@Lemony..this is short. Before Y!A instituted their maximum character policy on Q&As (apparently we are running out of electrons around here!!!) I had much more epic debates. You forget about some of mine during the whole Micheal Vick affair? (You still hated me then, lol!)

?2011-03-20T19:46:59Z

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CONTRADICTION:
Jazz is highly -extemporaneous- music which very rarely *focuses* on complexity but is more-so intrinsically complex because of its nature (which essentially throws the argument about improvised music being strictly emotional and intelligent music being often very structured out the window.)

But I understand there are no exclusively 'black' or 'white' terms when discussing music and that jazz could be considered the math major's music by certain people whereas the Grateful Dead, which primarily works on the same principles, could be considered the stoner/homeless guy/criminal's music by certain people while there are still endless shades and tints between the two (just clearing things up - this is a misconstrued idea by OTHER PEOPLE, not you and I; suggesting these people say these things but don't really realize there are differences between the two as well as similarities). If anything, because its listeners tend to analyze it into obscurity, most classical music tends to be the 'thinking man's' music...and if we're considering little nuances and musical subtleties as appraisers of musical 'intelligence', I think this could apply most 'comfortably' to classical music; whereas prog would generally appeal more-so to the pseudo-intellectual as opposed to the actual intellectual, who's probably just a close-minded ****** who hates any music that doesn't have all those ridiculous subtle musical nuances that only an orchestra composed of dozens can correctly convey (according to him). Assuming that this is how we should judge peoples' intelligence, by their level of snobbiness/close-mindedness. Of course, this is all stereotyping based on cliches which are probably hardly grounded in the truth whatsoever, but continuing....

Call me nuts, but wouldn't poets, free thinkers, and artists be -more- concerned with the 'why things are' than...whoever they're being contrasted with in this comparison (heh)?

Iunno, Kp. I just unno.

MA:
Emotional, I guess, but there are so many exceptions I un even no where to begin.

MA2:
Uh, Radiohead? Brian Eno?
...Or is this intelligent music? The line is TOO blurred, KP.

MA3:
I can't discern one extreme from the other. I mean, I can see the differences between Robert Fripp and Joey Ramone, but it isn't nearly as self-evident after that.

MA4:
NO. (Nah, dun worry bro, you actually made plenty of sense)

BA:
Well, assuming the ends justified the means and I had my own well-being as well as the well-being of others in mind in ending this person's LIFE, I'd put it in his cup. I'm not masochistic enough to kill myself.

Edit:
Alright, calm down, crazy. I've never heard any structured jazz, but maybe I'm just sheltered.

Edit TWO:
Hm. Interesting.
And yes, I've heard all of them, but, besides the MahOrch, I wouldn't really consider them 'jazz' as much as I'd consider them 'rock with jazz influences', which is why I don't like 'em so much. They take that intrinsic jazz complexity and sometimes jazz instrumentation but often completely ignore the jazz idiom - which is just improvised soloing (lots of it), essentially. It's too well-constructed to be 'jazz'.

FURTHER edit:
Wait, I think you mistook my Grateful Dead/stoner quote.
I wasn't suggesting that artists or poets or free thinkers were stoners, I was just suggesting that I can see how a lot of people might easily mistake those particular demographics as all stoners and ****. And I can see just as easily how people could consider jazz or prog or classical the 'thinking man's music', which is, of course, bullshit, but probably has -some- truth to it....
...I think. Man, I don't even know what I was saying.

EVEN FURTHER ******* EDIT:
Actually, Radiohead tends to focus quite a bit on production, composition, arranging, poeticism, and all that - I doubt they're trying to come off as geniuses, they just write and play what they think and what they feel, and they try to make it sound good. The level of, uh, 'deepness' a certain band/song/album has is individualized, as are whatever emotions people draw from them. Don't see why that's such a crime, or why everyone who enjoys certain music/thinks it has interesting ideas (lyrically or musically) is a 'pseudo-intellectual'. None of them -are- geniuses, just great songwriters. Anybody who'd even mention Radiohead and Mozart in the same breath concerning genius/inherent musical talent is a moron, but that doesn't mean Radiohead blows.

This better be the last god-amn edit:
Ah, got it. Sorry, I get defensive sometimes.
3:
^
That's my response to your bewildering but probably deeply hurtful comment. An emotionally static sequence of characters which can be understood as countless different emotions.

?2016-11-12T08:35:25Z

Intellectual Music

smile [dontcha mess with cupid]2011-03-20T20:36:48Z

MA: Emotional, for sure. Ionno, I took a music appreciation course, and while I loved it and found it very interesting to find out why a musician might have made a certain piece sound a certain way, I found that when I tried listening to music from such an analytical standpoint, it detracted from listening at an emotional one. Maybe I'm just shite at multitasking. At any rate...sometimes I feel very ignorant because while I enjoy knowing why things work, at some level, when given the choice, I'd rather just do/enjoy the thing. Like...guitars. I'd rather play them then modify them, even if I find tinkering with them interesting at some level. Same goes for music. I could listen to David Bowie, who does often put some thought into his compositions, and wonder about why he chose a certain technique or instrument, but more often than not, I'm content to sit back and enjoy whatever effect it creates.

I'm not at all very opposed to those who like more intellectual music; I admire them for their ability to hold interest in a whole other side of music that I'll honestly never be hugely involved in.

MA2: Johnny Thunders, because even though he basically recycles the same handful of chords in every song, and even though he's not really a technical player, the way it flows is just...you can -feel- the emotion in his playing, whether it be sad and lonely or alive and ecstatic. Huge accomplishment for someone usually so stoned he couldn't keep his eyes open.

And then..the Dead Boys, Richard Hell, New York Dolls, Alice Cooper, The Clash, PiL, Ramones, Shangrilas, Iggy Pop etc because, again, I feel more of a connection to them, more of a life than a band/artist that focuses solely on the composition from an intellectual point.

MA3: I like King Crimson, Camel, several Thrash Bands, but I dunno if those count as intellectual. If not, I like some Classical music and some Jazz.

MA4: I..think so.

BA: I KNOW WHERE THE POISON IS!

King Crimson2011-03-21T17:28:06Z

In the best music, both intellect and emotion are satisfied, and I find they are very intertwined. Beethoven has a huge emotional impact on me, and also my intellect is stimulated by the music, and partly *because* of how amazingly successful the music, constructed as it is, is able to arouse such an emotional response from me.

Other than that I'll just say that I don't agree with how you are filing certain things under "intellectual" and "emotional"; there could be some song which is incredibly complex and emotional, or one which is simple but stimulates the intellect somehow (hey, John Cage's 4'33!), so it's just not so easy to define.

Oh, also, as captain is mentioning with "skill without soul"... that's what I'd say guys like Victor Wooten and pretty much every metal shredder has. Their appeal is more like that of a great sports player than a great musician... not sure if the pleasure derived from sports is intellectual or... well, either way it's not a musical appeal.

?2011-03-22T13:36:46Z

MQ: I think that music is about expressing yourself...so I like emotional music better, or emotional lyrics at least. But I don't want totally dumb lyrics...some intelligence in the wording is nice...punk lyrics are usually very good. I don't have a problem with "intellectual" music, I just don't like the superior attitude that some of the fans of that type of music have.
MQ2: My favorite artists that write emotional music with somewhat intellectual lyrics are Rise Against and Arcade Fire, and REM. I also like All That Remains and Killswitch Engage...
MQ3: I don't listen to much of that, but I do like some New Age type music and jazz.
MQ4: Yes, you make sense; this is one of the best questions that I've seen on Y!A.

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