fighter that hasn't improved since his fight against Marquez beat Mosley worse than Money Mayweather? Pac beat Mosley 120-107, 120-108, 119-108 (and that includes the bogus knockdown Bayless ruled wrong) in the fight and Money beat Mosley (119-109, 119-109, 118-110). I don't recall Pacquiao holding on for dear life, and I don't recall Mosley ever being hurt against Money, so if Pacquiao, a "one dimensional fighter who hasn't improved since Marquez" beat Mosley worse than Money did, then what does that say about Money? Don't get me wrong, the fight was crap, but, let's not be too quick to say Pac is one dimensional, because frankly, how does a one dimensional fighter beat Mosley worse than Floyd "Money" Mayweather?
2011-05-08T04:48:27Z
Great answers. Sorry guys I haven't responded to any of the answers. It was like 3 in the morning where I am (DC) and had to sleep! @stick - I'm not sure how you can say Mosley was still throwing punches. Did you SEE that he only threw 260 the ENTIRE fight? That's less than 23 punches a round! Yeah, Pacquiao wasn't as impressive, but at the same time, BOTH he and Freddie Roach said that it was hard for him to move because of the tightness in his after the fourth round.
2011-05-08T13:22:03Z
PBF - you see a guy who was trying to "outbox" Pacquiao, I saw a guy who got hurt and was trying to make it through 12 rounds, which is exactly what Shane said as well. He said he was surprised by Pac's power and he was in no way taking any chances. You see, if Mosley was trying to box Pacquiao, he would have thrown more punches, instead he was walking back and threw 260 punches the entire night. If he was trying to "box", he would have thrown many more. Watch the fight again, and you'll see whenever Pacquiao anywhere close to striking range, Mosley would walk back out of range with absolutely no punches being thrown. Much like Cotto in the last rounds against Pac. To me, that's not "boxing", that's running. And Mosley was trying to win against Floyd, until he ran out of steam, and that was early in the fight. You'll see that against Floyd, he was standing right in front of him, pawing the entire time, confused. Against Pac, he was in retreat. Did Pac have an "off night", I don't think
2011-05-08T13:38:18Z
it was his best performance, but to dominate the number 3 welter in the world when you're a bit off, due to a muscle cramp for most of the fight, I think that's pretty damn good. I appreciate your opinion none the less! Thanks PBF
vino2011-05-08T00:15:01Z
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There you are Joel,
Yeah, a bunch of clowns is ridiculously making a bandwagon here that were quick to make a conclusion Manny is a one-dimensional fighter.
Let me clear this, I agree it was a lackluster fight compared to Manny's previous fights but not with Floyd's fight.
Many here began to discredit Manny saying he was expose by Mosely who according to them tried to OUT-BOXED Manny.
It is funny they don't know what they were saying
Trying to OUT-BOX is a mile different than trying to SURVIVE via FULL TACTICAL RETREAT mode.
Also, is Mosely really outbox Manny he should have won the fight or at least made the cards competitive but the scorecards tell a different story, Manny aside from successfully knocking down Shane in the third round he beat Mosely in a wider score differential than FLOYD.
So again, it was a lackluster fight but not because of Manny and not because Shane successfully outbox Manny but it was because Shane was force to do the BICYCLE BACKPEDAL like what Cotto did in the latter rounds in his fight against Manny.
@Stick: "... Floyd stuns him on a few occasions, and lands considerably hard power punches on a much more consistent basis than Pacquiao did. Pacquiao did knock Mosley down, but besides that he didn't land many punches of consequence..."
Mosely in Mayweather fight engaged more than he was on the Pacquiao fight that's why Mayweather managed to land more on Shane.
Manny forced Shane to BACKPEDAL to survive, it wasn't because Shane OUTBOXED Manny. If Shane did really outboxed Manny, still Manny dominated the fight and Shane could have won competitive number of rounds if he was really effective in outboxing the smaller man.
@Stick: ...Pacquiao should take advantage of something that Mosley is not good at doing, but instead became hesitant and frustrated at what was happening.
Fans just got used to Manny bashing face and knocking his opponents out. But how can you tell if Manny should take advantage of something? It was Manny's discretion when to throw those punches and only him knows when will it be effective. How can you say he became hesitant? The problem for some fans is that they are quick to yell 'he could have done this, he could have done that', heck if that is easy we mere civilians could have done that. I'm not getting your point with all due respect.
For a start Mosley actually tried to beat Floyd when they fought and i don't recall the fans booing all the way through the fight either.Mayweather landed way more accurate and crisper punches against Mosley when they fought and remember Mayweather was fighting Mosley after Shane beat Margarito.Pacquiao was fighting a Mosley that couldn't beat classC Sergio Mora.
This was the first time a fighter tried to outbox Manny instead of walking him down or standing right in front of him since he fought Marquez.You saw for yourself that Pacquiao was an extremely frustrated figure in the ring because his inability to adapt to a moving fighter who was only trying to counter the whole fight.Maybe Pacquiao just had a bad night or he thought that he would walk right through Shane like everyone else thought.
I do put about 70% of the blame on Mosley for the fight being an absolute snore fest but there was a reason why Pacquiao was ridiculed for taking this fight with Shane and we all just saw it.Surely you have to admit yourself that Pacquiao struggled to adapt to a fighter that wasn't coming straight at him like in his previous fights.A 39 year old Mosley made Pacquiao look amateurish at times in the fight.When do you ever hear fans boo at a Pacquiao fight.
I don't think anyone is saying Pacquiao hasn't improved since he fought Marquez but on the evidence of that fight it was clear to see that Pacquiao struggles against fighters that try to outbox him.The difference between Mosley and Marquez is that Shane can't pull the trigger anymore and that was clear for everyone to see.That's why i have now went from 100% to 110% sure that Mayweather will easily handle Pacquiao and most people will agree accept from Pacquiao fans.Floyd is way more elusive than Mosley,he has way more boxing skills than Mosley and he's the most accurate puncher in the sport.I give 0 chance for Manny to win this fight!
Yeah I saw both fights and I was comparing them, the "one dimensional" comment are from the mayweather fans. Just don't mind them. There is no reasoning with those people, even though not all mayweather fans are like that. Also, Mosley was more willing to let go of his punches against Mayweather but he was always on the defense when it came to Pac especially after that knock down. I can't wait for the Mayweather vs. Pac fight, so that the trolls will stop trolling. Btw, don't feed the trolls by giving them attention.
@ Stick and Move Yeah i think that Pacquiao did have a bad night also, but apparently Naazim Richard said he was thinking of stopping the fight before the final round, but he let it go on according to this article http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=6503687 Mosley himself said this "I just fought the best fighter in the world. He has exceptional power, power that I have never been hit with before." I'm pretty sure Mosley is right when it comes to who beats him more.
Well that's the definition of "haters". They will say anything to put down someone even if they contradicted themselves.
They're supporting Mayweather whilst calling Pacquiao a one-dimensional fighter EVEN THOUGH Manny beat Mosley in a better way than Mayweather did. There's a lot of double-standards happening.
I don't think he beat him worse than Mayweather at all.
Think about it, at one point in the Mayweather fight Nazim Richardson told Shane, "you gotta show me something Shane, I'm not gonna let you take these punches".
I watched the Pac fight in a bar, and couldn't hear the commentating, but at no time did it look like Nazim Richardson clearly considered stopping the fight. Pacquiao knocked Mosley down, yes, and the scorecards may have been wider than the Floyd fight. The difference in scorecards is negligible though, because there were only two rounds (at most) you could give to Mosley against Floyd. The first round (which I think Floyd won), which didn't have much action to go off of, and the second round when Floyd got caught. The difference is one round and one punch in the scores.
Also, I don't know the punch stats off the top of my head, but usually Mayweather lands at least %40 of the punches he throws. He doesn't hit as hard as Pacquiao, but Floyd has very sharp punches that will hurt you. Watch the fight with Mosley close, and watch Mosley the entire time. Watch how he reacts to the punches. Floyd stuns him on a few occasions, and lands considerably hard power punches on a much more consistent basis than Pacquiao did. Pacquiao did knock Mosley down, but besides that he didn't land many punches of consequence or have Mosley in a vulnerable position (until the last round or two, which seemed more a result of Mosley being gassed).
Pacquiao could just of had a bad night, which happens to everybody. It doesn't necessarily mean he is one-dimensional, I think people are just considering it because of the fact Mosley isn't a Boxer at all, and isn't affective fighting in that way. But I think Mayweather clearly had a much better performance against Mosley, even if he got hurt (he didn't go down, and kept his composure). Pacquiao dominated Mosley too, but it just wasn't in his usual can't miss style. Mosley physically got beat up badly in his fight with Floyd, which is something many in the media noticably mentioned in the aftermath of it.
@vino: Mosley is an incredibly better fighter than he is Boxer, because he is a fighter at heart and boxing isn't his style. Pacquiao should take advantage of something that Mosley is not good at doing, but instead became hesitant and frustrated at what was happening.
It doesn't mean Pacquiao is one-dimensional, everybody can have an off night, Pacquiao is human after all. However he didn't look very impressive, even though he had an incredibly easy time winning. It's true Mosley wasn't engaging Pacquiao, but neither did Cotto after the 5th round of his fight with Manny, and Manny had no problem beating him down with punches from then on. Plus, Mosley was still opening up to throw punches, unlike Cotto who was strictly trying to avoid punishment/exchanges and be on the defensive.