Please show me from scripture how we know that our eternal destination is set at the time of death?
I've always been told that once you die, it's too late to believe on Jesus for salvation. But I started to wonder what verses in the Bible told us that. I could find only two verses that vaguely suggested this idea. They are:
And just as it is appointed for people to die once--and after this, judgment-- (Hebrews 9:27 HCSB)
This is the principle verse used in sermons to "prove" that there's no more chance after death. The problems for me are that, 1. This verse is talking about Jesus not having to offer Himself over and over again as a sacrifice. His one sacrifice was enough. 2. There is no reason whatsoever given here not to insert a second chance between death and judgment or genuine repentance (God is not deceived) after judgment. If this verse were supporting a number of other, more clear statements, it would be acceptable, but it must stand alone, so far as I can tell, and alone, it just isn't specific enough.
If the clouds are full, they will pour out rain on the earth; whether a tree falls to the south or the north, the place where the tree falls, there it will lie. (Ecclesiastes 11:3 HCSB)
This could be an obscure reference to the fate of a soul after death, but commentators don't agree on what it means.
I'm interested to hear your seriously considered thoughts on this, brothers and sisters. Thanks!
Paul, You're right; that's a good one. However, while the one who endures to the end will be saved, is he the only one who will be saved? What about the little tribal woman from the woodlands of India who's longed for the truth all her life and when she dies, she sees Jesus and loves Him instantly? What about her? Is our just and merciful Father going to torture her throughout eternity? Is He going to destroy her instead of torturing her, out of mercy? Is He going to accept her love? Which is it? I'm not trying to irritate you; I'm serious.
M'r:12:27: He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Yes, He is, but the people Jesus was talking about here were the patriarchs. They had been physically dead for centuries. This is a good verse, but it's not talking about my question.
2Co:6:2: (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
The day we should accept salvation is always today. How is that different after someone dies? Not everyone gets the chances we've had. I simply can't see Jesus turning anyone away with a "Sorry, no heartbeat. You're too late." So yes, another good verse and I genuinely appreciate your looking it up for me. It isn't doing it, though. I don't think it proves that death is the dividing line.
E, in my fellowship we don't insult one another. We all come with our honest questions and thoughts and we discuss them together in the presence of the Lord, no matter whether we agree or disagree. There are no forbidden questions. And I have read and studied the bible all of my life -- ALL of it. I'm 52, so I've had a lot of time to work on it.
You said: The Soul that sinneth shall surely DIE
However: God was talking about not punishing the children for the fathers' sins. It had nothing to do with my question.
"ALL Sinnners shall go to hell upon death" -- The bible does not teach this. Sinners go to hell after the great white throne judgment.
"ALL Born again blood washed children of God will go to Heaven" In fact, God's children will inhabit the new earth with Him. You'll find this in Revelation 21-22.
"The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;"
Yes, King David was a wonderful poet, but I'm not sure what this has to do with my question.
"But he
Sorry, E. Not sure what happened to the rest of that. "Her guests are in hell . . ."
David is warning Solomon (Proverbs) not to sleep with harlots. This is poetry and the harlot's guests were probably still alive and hustling. Not what I'm looking for. As for the rest, it really doesn't pertain to the question. But thanks.
True, Robert, and thanks for sharing those. I don't think that really says it either, though. "This night your life will be required of you" . . . in other words, the rich man died before he could enjoy all that he'd stored up for himself. It speaks to all of us, I'm afraid. But it doesn't tell us that we can't receive Jesus after physical death, though we have no more chances to bless the poor at that point.
As for Lazarus and the rich man . . . The rich man is Israel, who had been given all the oracles of God but not shared them or been a light to the nations as was their mandate. Lazarus is the Gentile world who would soon be the recipient of the blessings of Abraham. The parable really makes a lot more sense that way. I always wondered how it could be about heaven and hell, talking about Abraham's bosom and Hades, and the rich man already in hell without having been judged, and Lazarus not a believer in Jesus. We miss it because we don't have the cultural reference. I had to have
I had to have someone help me with that one. I didn't figure it out myself.