Do you believe a trinity Jehovah's Witnesses are talking about is the same as Trinity Christians talk about?

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steinbeck11 · Accepted Answer

The three headed god that the Jehovah's Witnesses always claim Christendom promotes is NOT the godhead as described biblically.  I believe in the Godhead as described in the Bible is God who manifests himself to mankind through Christ Jesus.

Acts 17:29, "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."

From this verse we know God is not a graven image like those used by the roman catholic church.

Romans 1:19-20, "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

From these verses we know that God manifested himself in different ways and that creation is a reflection of the Godhead so it can be easily understood.

Because of this we can see the Godhead reflected in many things:

"Isn’t it interesting that the entire physical universe (uni = one) consists of three and only three aspects—space, time, and matter? If you were to take away any of these three, you would no longer have a universe.

■Space consists of length, width, and height—three in one. If you were to take away any of these dimensions, you would no longer have space.
■Time consists of past, present, and future—three in one. If you were to take away any of these aspects, you would no longer have time. 
■Matter consists of energy in motion producing phenomena—three in one. If there were no energy there could be no motion or phenomena. If there were no motion, there would be no energy or phenomena. If there were no phenomena, it would be because there was no energy or motion."

In fact, the Bible describes man as a tripart being and says man was created in the image of the Godhead.

1 Thessalonians 5:23, "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Genesis 1:26 (a), "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..."

The physical bodily expression of God is Jesus Christ the Lord:

Colossians 2:9, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

The Bible states without reservation that in Jesus ALL the fulness of the Godhead dwelleth (meaning, continues to dwell) bodily.  Wow!

The watchtower continues to teach anti-biblical lies about both the nature of man and the nature of God.  They deny that man is a tripart being and they deny Jesus is God.  I believe the Bible over any doctrines by any group.

TJ Can&#39;t Lose · Answer

Something you should understand, Nina, if you are truly interested in this subject, is that even those you would call your fellow Christians do not all believe in the same exact Trinity that you do when you get down to specifics. It was these minor differences that caused the Church to break apart in the centuries after the apostles. For example, the Nestorian Church of the East broke away (or was put out) over a relatively small difference in its understanding of God and Jesus, as did the Oriental Orthodox Churches shortly thereafter, and later the Greek Orthodox and Latin Catholic Churches split due largely to how they understand the Trinity, whether the Spirit proceeds also from the Son or not.

Most Christians that believe it only do so in a superficial sort of way, and don't attempt to understand its "mysterious" details, as the more you investigate it, the more logical problems you encounter. Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT try to *exactly* define the Trinity for those who profess belief in it, since even these ones are unable to do so uniformly. But they do explain it in a basic sense that most Trinitarians would agree with, and then compare this with what the Bible has to say on the topic to show how unscriptural it really is.

Anonymous · Answer

My parents are Jehovah's Witnesses & they do not believe in any form of the trinity so ,I have no idea what crap your trying to spread about the Jehovah's Witnesses but I will say this they make a lot more sense than you who think people with brains would believe in a trinity .
God is a nonsense , trinity is even more nonsense.

Carl · Answer

No, they would speak of the trinity that christendom speaks of and they would believe it to be error. They believe it consists of the Father (Jehovah) Jesus (a created god) and the Holy Spirit (God's active force)

Christians believe in a Triune Godhead, the three Persons being co-equal and often being described as a "Trinity" The Father, the Son (Jesus the Christ) and the Holy Spirit.

The same word is used but with totally differing meanings. One which is false and one which is true.

elewa · Answer

each and every guy or woman i've got met who appeared to be a real believer(properly, in guy or woman) who spoke something on it the two believed(or believes) interior the Trinity, or looks to think of Jesus is the father and Son a minimum of, and each JW i've got met so a strategies does not have confidence God is a trinity. They(JWs) think of the wonderful god is Jehovah, and the single to be honored the main. As for me, i think interior the Trinity.

Anonymous · Answer

Greetings,

True Christians do not believe in the Trinity.

Further, some Trinitarians are not educated in the fact that Trinitarian scholars and theologians themselves cannot agree on the "correct" Trinitarian belief.

Now as a rule, Witnesses understand that so-called "orthodox" Trinitarians teach there are not three gods in one god, but there are three "persons" in one God.

However, there are a few Witnesses who do not understand this and I am constantly educating them.

But to be fair many lay Trinitarians also do not understand this. And the biggest difficulty is because of Trinitarians who explain their belief as "three Gods." I constantly have to educate Trinitarian laity that the Trinity goes beyond just three persons and actually teaches that the three are mystically united as one substance and thus equally God.

And, the ultimate and final argument of Trinitarians is: "It's a mystery" which demonstrates that there is not a Trinitarian on earth who understands the Trinity either.

Further, part of the problem is because the logical fallacy of Equivocation is built into the main definitions of the Trinity. (This fallacy is employed when terms crucial to an argument are not used in the same sense throughout the argument.)

In the words of the Athanasian Creed: ‘the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.'

If we take these words in a "normal" way it is easy to see how people understand that there are three Gods in one God. However, a Trinitarian educated in the technicalities of the Trinity automatically will redefine the word "God" in two different senses: In the three initial instances here the word "God" means "one of the persons within the Godhead." However, in the last occurrence when it says "one God" it means "collectively the three persons of the divine being" or the "consubstantial Triad." If they did not equivocate on the meaning of the word God, then we would actually have: "the Father is ‘the consubstantial Triad,' the Son is ‘the consubstantial Triad,' and the Holy Spirit is ‘the consubstantial Triad,' but there are not three ‘consubstantial Triads,' but one ‘consubstantial Triad.' Or the reverse using the definition of God as "a person within the Godhead." When Trinitarians see the word "God" they arbitrarily jump from defining it as "one person in the Godhead" to "the triad Godhead" according to their theological bias otherwise there is a contradiction.

Trinitarians must resort to the fallacy of equivocation in every scripture which explicitly separates Christ from "God." For example, Trinitarians cannot interpret Jn.1:1 without equivocating as above or mentally replacing the word "God" with "Father," because while they can have the Father WITH Christ they cannot have two "God's" WITH each other.

Further, many, if not all, of the explanations illustrating the Trinity amount to tri-theism. For instance, the common explanations of the Trinity such as "It's like one man can be a Father, husband, and son" or a "husband, wife and son all having one nature" or "an egg consists of shell, white, and yolk" or "one person consisting of soul, spirit and flesh," and etc. All these either fall into the category of tritheistic or modalistic descriptions which are heretical to Trinitarians.

The Trinitarian Alister E. McGrath says of such descriptions: "We are asked to imagine three human beings. Each of them is distinct; yet they share a common humanity. So it is with the Trinity there are three distinct persons, yet with a common divine nature. When all is said and done, this analogy leads directly to an understated tritheism." "While Gregory may wish us to think of "Peter, James and John" as different instances of the same human nature, the more natural way of interpreting the illustration is to think of them as three distinct and independent individuals"


When all is said and done the Trinity remains an unexplainable and incomprehensible "mystery." It is exactly what Jesus said was wrong with the Samaritans: "you worship what you do not know." Because of this inherent confusion it is no wonder that Trinitarians themselves must resort to logic and analogies which reasonable people understand as indicating three Gods.

On the other hand, the Bible is very clear (Jn.17:3; 1Cor.8:6).

Everywhere in the Bible God is separate and distinct from Christ. Christ is always presented as less than Almighty God (Jn. 14:28; 20:17; Mk.13:32; 1Cor.15:27,28;  Rev.3:2,12). At the highest position he will ever attain, Jesus still has a God over him and is "subject" to *GOD* the same way we are "subject" to him.

Yours,

BAR-ANERGES

Do you believe a trinity Jehovah's Witnesses are talking about is the same as Trinity Christians talk about?

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