I recently purchased a 3 year old warmblood gelding. We visited him several times before finally deciding to buy him, I was very pleased with his behavior at the farm where he's lived his whole life. I put his halter on, led him around, picked up his feet, brushed him down, and watched him work on a lunge line with a saddle and bridle. He's lively, but I've worked with young horses before and of course it's to be expected of a young horse that hasn't been backed yet. I took him out to our hitching area today and took it slow and everything went pretty well until I wanted to pick up his feet. My gentle but firm coaxing at one of his hind legs resulted in him lashing out at me, scraping my arm with said rear hoof and ripping the lead rope in two. I caught him without a problem but it was frustrating.
One of my trainers thinks that I should bring a whip with me and give him a good smack when he raises a leg at me or paws the ground, but I'm afraid it could just cause the situation to escalate and be more dangerous. The stable owner thinks I should take it even slower and try to be more gentle while picking up his feet, but I know he knows how to pick up his feet and was just acting up. I'm of the opinion that he's still not comfortable in his new surroundings, is feeling stressed and I shouldn't try again until next weekend, perhaps after a session in the round pen after he's established a bit of respect.
Opinions?
2012-09-08T05:08:13Z
Thank you all for your input. My reason for using Y!A is that there is a wide variety of people with different methods and opinions (many of which are different but equally effective with different horses) and there's no way in real life to get the opinions of so many people in one day.
With some careful thought and discussion I've decided to take him into the round pen today and do a bit of work to establish our relationship where there's more room, and to let him burn off some energy before try two. :)
gallop2012-09-07T21:53:42Z
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I'd go with Bubbles on this one. She pretty much has advised the same approach I would have advised.
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This behavior can be quite common in young horses. They love to "test the waters" and see what they can get away with. I'm guessing this isn't a medical issue since he's only 3 years old; I believe he's simply trying to establish who is the dominant "horse" in your relationship with him. I would definitely bring a whip with you and give him a good smack when he even threatens to strike out.
If you observe horses in the wild they kick the living daylights out of each other to establish dominance, and once dominance is established the horses at the low end of the totem pole are respectful to the dominant horse.
Kicking at you is NO excuse no matter where your horse is. At a show, a new stable...anywhere. That behavior is unacceptable and as you know, is very very dangerous and someone could get seriously hurt. Give him a smack when he threatens, and if he kicks out even more give him another smack, eventually he will learn that behavior is not going to be tolerated and he won't do it anymore. If you don't address the issue he thinks he is doing nothing wrong and the problem will get worse if not corrected.
ok i agree with a couple answers on here. first you should make sure there is no medical problems. idk why there would be but you never know. horses do everything for a reason, they don't lie. someone on here said that but they said he isnt acting up. well the first part is true %100. but acting up is a reason. my 2 year old does that same thing( well not that bad) all the time. drives me up the wall. he doesnt try to get away but he will try to bite me or walk from left to right or he will pick it up and stomp it down. so it sounds like a respect issue. i think he may be testing you which is what babies do, its normal. i also don't think a whip is going to help. it will just work him up more. i think you shoud work him in the round pen really good so he's got some energy out.and then have someone hold him as oppose to tying him becuase you do not want him to think that if he's tied and he doesn't want to be all he has to do is throw a fit and he gets away. so go to where ever you tie him and have someone hold him that can handle it if he freaks out. try to pick up his foot and be firm with him. if he trys to run away or somthing. try having the person hold him in front of a wall or in front of something that prevents him from going forward. just whatever you do don't give up if you can't get it ask one of your trainers for help but you want to make sure that you lift up that foot or he's going to learn bad habits. I hope this helps good luck
oh great. your brilliant trainer says to whip the horse? that'll get you a good kick out for sure.
the horse doesn't just "act up" because he feels like it. so, if he was 100% perfect at picking up his feet, he would.
horses don't like to argue with people. it's stressful.
that said....
Did you pick his feet up before you bought him? was he 100% truly perfect then? if so...then maybe he was off balance or he was not comfortable where you were, or you were being rude when you asked (pinched or grabbed or startled him)
((hope you got a vet check before you bought him!)))
if not...then that's the problem, he's not 100% trained to pick his feet up.
either way...
Solution:
don't punish him. simply test with a lead rope and toss that around his hind feet and if he's great with that, then put the rope around one leg and ask him to "lead" with that (lead him around by his lead rope attached to the halter as normal, but also add some tension on the rope around his leg)
if he's great with the rope around his leg at a stand still and while being led around, then you know he's ok about his feet being handled.
so... step 2:
ask him to square up, and then ask for the hoof, pick it up, hold it for a second, rub his leg, and then release it and give him a treat (or just praise)
using a treat to reward him for letting you pick his foot up can be a very fast way for him to want to pick his foot up and let you handle it easy. rewards lead to better understanding instead of punishment.
I would do the round penning or whatever else you were going to do...(but please don't just chase him around in the round pen. that's not round penning, hope you know that already).
Then pick his feet up when he gets a chance to relax.
He might have just had some energy and asking him to stand still at that time was not something he wanted to do.
Whatever the reason, just pick his feet every time you handle him and be gentle about it, but not wimpy. Praise for good behavior.