Jehovah's Witnesses, can you give me some examples?

I am very sympathetic to your cause and agree with much of your theology. I still have some unanswered questions regarding that, but one thing that many Witnesses point to as far as something that supports your claim to be the only true Christian church is the persecution you have endured, both as a group and individually. Ideally, your answer will be in two parts.

First, I would like for you to share examples of past persecution, with specific places and if possible specific identities of the individual(s) involved.

Second, and most important, I would like for you to share specific examples of very recent and if possible current and ongoing religious persecution regarding the Jehovah's Witnesses and their organization.

For both parts, please, include as much detail as you can. This is only partly for me. I think the world at large should be informed so that their view of the Jehovah's Witnesses will not be as lopsided as I feel it now is. I am giving you an opportunity to sell yourselves. Please, do me proud!

2012-09-26T08:39:04Z

It is to my great dismay that a couple of days ago I became ill and have experienced nausea and dizziness to the extent I have been unable to participate here. I will as quickly as possible offer comments, however I'm finding that if I sit up too long I am forced to lie down again. My apologies to those who have been waiting for me to respond. Habitually, whenever I answer a question I simply move on to the next and the next. It is extremely rare for me to go back to one I have already answered and because of that until recently I was completely unaware that some people are expecting a comment from the asker. I will try to keep that in mind in the future.

@Hong Kong, thank you for the links. If I am able, I will comment on those later but the deadline for picking an answer is not long from now.

@Richard, I understand your viewpoint, but I believe the Bible very clearly states that we are supposed to "sell" our faith. Luke 14:23 is just one of several supporting Scriptur

2012-09-26T08:41:00Z

For each of you that have shared personal stories, thank you. I do not know if I will have the time or if Yahoo allows the space that it would take to respond to each one of them. Each story has touched my heart, and indeed I was hoping for personal stories as well as links to the experiences of others. Even though I seldom go back to questions and answers from the past, I expect I'll be referring to this at least occasionally in the future, if not frequently.

@fixerken, one of the main purposes for me asking this question was so that I could get a better handle on why the Jehovah's Witnesses are being persecuted, and I would most definitely say that being killed without being put on trial is a prime example of persecution.

@Ryenic, I much appreciate what you have shared, and as far as the plenty more that you have? Share away! I do not want to be too much trouble, but as far as I'm concerned the more the better.

@Terry, perhaps I should have put you first since you spe

2012-09-26T08:44:18Z

specifically stated that you were looking forward to my feedback. But I decided to use yours as a kind of a summary. I think one of the biggest problems that non-Jehovah's Witnesses have as far as understanding is the fact that they look upon only one or two aspects and ignore the rest. What I have tried to do and will still be doing is to look upon the Jehovah's Witnesses as a complete package. One thing that I have noticed has been repeated many times is how Jehovah's Witnesses see their faith and their experiences as unique. I do believe I have found at least some reason to understand why you make that claim and will be looking for more, may well ask additional questions regarding that. For me to accept something, the entire package has to be acceptable to me. To a very real extent, when I first started taking a closer look at the Jehovah's Witnesses recently, the package was for the most part an unknown. I am finding more and more that not only are there things that

2012-09-26T08:46:54Z

I can accept, there are things that I like. I am still a long way from my goal, that goal being realizing and embracing the truth is much as it is humanly possible for me to do so. Some questions that I had have been satisfactorily and permanently laid to rest. Other questions shall be addressed in the future, but I am making progress.

Again, I am very appreciative of the kind responses and am beholden to you one and all. The personal stories I am going to print and put into a notebook to occasionally read without the necessity of being near a computer.

I ask that you do me proud? Each Jehovah's Witness that responded here has exceeded my expectations. Again, I am very grateful.

2012-09-26T10:48:57Z

I believe I've the flu, and in order to see a doctor today (not an appointment, they're trying to work me in) I need to pick a Best Answer now to make sure it does not go to vote. I wish I could, but I've not the time to offer any more comments. Wonderful stories. I felt with you. There are many of you that are in the running for Best. I'm putting all of your names in a hat and then drawing one and that is who gets it.

debbiepittman2012-09-18T14:35:07Z

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It is a fact that people on this planet to to hate one another and kill one another in large rates. It is not only JWs who have awful things happen to them for their faith.

The most documented place I know of about things done to JW online (not a JW source) is the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

http://www.ushmm.org/shared/search/main.php?q__typ=&q=Jehovah%27s+Witnesses&Submit=

If that link doesn't work, just go to http://www.ushmm.org and search. There is a video online there for being shown in public schools about this. While some of the books listed are written by JWs, many are written by apologetics or non JW defenders and historians.

BBC in England also did a series on human rights violations. The episode on Jehovah's Witnesses was called Purple Triangles. JWs got the right to copy and distribute that.

Forum 18 and Amnesty International and courts of humans rights also have many cases going on.

Here in America, non JW family members do many things to stop people. It was done to me. You can easily be accused of being depressed or mentally ill and put in hospitals and given drug treatment.

My ex-husband and his family had me put in by filing a supposed murder plot I had against my husband. They used it to divorce and gain custody of my 4 y/o son.

Later, I did have a nervous breakdown from stress and my Dad sent me to one again. I was kept there for 2 months though I learned a whole lot about legal rights and about what people do to others even here in supposedly the greatest human rights country.

The lady in the bed next to me was homosexual and they treated her with a "cure" for her lesbianism with some medicine they told her was merely vitamins. Her lawyer told her it was a drug to control sexual perverts and pedophiles and such.

She and I kept talking to people who came in to see what had been done to them by families and turned them over to her lawyer. Because I looked more clean-cut and churchy, I took the ones who looked like that. She was a biker leather wearing one and talked to those types first.

My Dad had said he would not take me home as long as I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses (it was written in my record which I learned I had the right to read). A worker was discussing with me that I was going to have to stay in there indefinitely as they didn't feel I was making progress enough to be sent home.

I told them that was ok. That my friend, Kathy (the lesbian) and I were sitting in there and interviewing everyone who came into the place and turning them over to her lawyer (who had started visiting the place once or twice a week to talk to all the people who we had gathered. He also wanted me to sue my parents.)


Their drugs and talk could not change me (even though they actually even gave me sodium pentathol twice while there supposedly to make me tell the truth about my supposed cocaine use---which I'd never done).

thomas_tutoring20022012-09-18T14:25:25Z

Just a brief presentation as to situations. I will reference

*** jv chap. 30 p. 680 ‘Defending and Legally Establishing the Good News’ ***

In Italy and Hungary, as in Romania, Bible literature used by the Witnesses was confiscated by the police under the governments that were then ruling. The same was done in Japan, Korea, and the Gold Coast (now called Ghana). Jehovah’s Witnesses who had come from abroad were ordered to leave France. For many years none of Jehovah’s Witnesses were granted permission to enter the Soviet Union to preach about God’s Kingdom.

Bible Truth2012-09-18T16:20:11Z

I can add a few experiences from my family who have been Witnesses for over 100 years.

My grandparents were both of the anointed and very zealous all their lives. Their daughter, my Mom, went to the Gilead missionary school in the early forties. Grandpa had the responsibility during the the thirties, when we faced much opposition in the US, to go along with field service groups and he and another brother would go down one side of a street while the others in the group worked down the opposite side. Often the group on the opposite side would be arrested but Grandpa and the other brother were NEVER noticed by the police. The police didn't seem able to see them! The reason was that their responsibility was to go and bail out the brothers who got arrested. They were always able to do this.

Another thing that happened to them was that my Grandma had what would probably be recognized as bi-polar disorder today. She was always faithful but she suffered from severe bouts of depression and mania. Due to all the threats of violence against the Witnesses and even threats against her family she suffered several nervous breakdowns. But she always rebounded well and was faithful and zealous all her life. One of her bad episodes happened after my Mom finished Gilead school and was sent on an assignment right here in the States. But this was during the end of the second world war and persecution was at a peak here. The threats sent her into another breakdown and my Mom was told by Br. Knorr to go home and help out her Dad and Mom. Her Mom recovered and they pioneered for many years all over Long Island when there were very few Witnesses there. Mom eventually married my Dad another Witness who himself had been put into prison in Connecticut with many other young brothers because they would not fight in the war.

OK, I'm back.

I wanted to add that the biggest form of persecution I personally see is the knee-jerk reaction of hatred toward Jehovah's Witnesses in person or online. Just look at the nasty answers you yourself got on your other question about thanking Jehovah's Witnesses. People are programmed by this world to respond that way. Just say you are a Witness and people's faces turn nasty and then frequently they themselves say and do hurtful things. We face this every day, all the time.

Just last week what I thought would be a short simple Biblical message on Twitter turned into almost a hate The Bible and Witnesses free-for-all. A few people did respond positively but the instantaneous rush of venom from just ordinary people, not even opposers, was amazing. Most of them were completely ignorant about what the Bible really teaches and thought themselves very smart in the worldly sense but they really knew SO little and were filled with so much hostility. This is Satan's world and it hates us simply because we are not part of it and its wickedness, just as Christ said true worshippers would be.

TJ2012-09-18T16:07:20Z

They do pretty well for themselves, there has been much growth in their organization since it's beginnings, I don't think they need your personal boost to sell themselves.

They are not selling themselves neither are they? Sounds like your trying to pride build in them. I'm not surprised. They don't need that kind of help !

God's people will always be on the minority side. And persecuted. I believe the bible tells us that. They don't have to prove that is how it is, the bible is proof enough and past and current events back up that bible truth.

The rest is public obtainable

?2012-09-18T15:19:54Z

Hi again,

There are some good links to see from some of our brother & sisters who have taken the time to get some links for you. Here is one from "Wikipedia" click on the link and scroll down to the section "persecution".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovahs_witnesses#Persecution

There you will see on the right of the page a purple triangle that was sewn onto the prison uniform of German JW in the concentration camps, just a sober reminder for us!

There was a ITV television programme here in the UK all about the JW's in the camps during the 2nd world war, this was a independent programme made by one of the main TV station in the UK, if you ask the person that sent you the books he might be able to send you a copy of the DVD of the programme, it was called "The purple triangle" it is just amazing!

Here is a clip that I found on YouTube, it features the account of one family of about 9 that were rounded up by the Nazi and put into the camps because of being JW's, 2 were even executed!

I am SO PROUD that my German brothers and sisters in Nazi Germany stood up to Hitler and his Nazi's and would not support him in his madness, and would not even "Heil Hitler" him! Just a shame that those form the main stream Churches did not do the same, that way Hitler would have been all on his own with no one to fight his mad war!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXzqo7iM-UA

Regards

Terry

EDIT....I look forward to your feedback on this so that we can see what you think!

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