Undersized road bike inner tube = more flats?

I recently had to change my road bike tires both front and back. They're now Continental Gator Skins 700x25, supposedly super tough and pretty puncture-resistant stuff. I've had 3 flats on them in the past 3 weeks, though, and I haven't been riding thru goat-head cities or broken glass pasture or anything like that. Just normal city streets (with the usual ration of roadside debris). Everybody says that's extremely unusual for Gator Skins. Some insist they've gone months if not years without a flat since they changed to that tire.

One thing I wonder about is... the shop that sold me the tires (and does repair works for me since it sold me the bike) somehow doesn't carry 700x25 inner tubes that has 48mm valve stem or longer. The only 700x25 tubes they have have shorter stem. The mechanic insists that I can use 700x23 tubes with 48mm stem without any problem (I can't use tires with shorter valve stem since it would disappear into the rim when the tube isn't inflated, as in when changing tube after a flat).

So the question is... is the mechanic right (that using slightly undersized inner tube doesn't make my tires more prone to flatting)?

2012-11-05T21:57:49Z

Add: Thanks John!
Tube sizes are ranged indeed. The shop has 700x18-23 or 700x25-32. Somehow the latter only comes with shorter stem than 48mm. At the moment my tires (700x25) have 700x18-23 with 48mm presta valve inner tube in them as the shop mechanic suggested. I keep them both pumped to near max psi that's posted on tire wall, but because the inner tubes are smaller than the tires the tires always feel a bit less than totally tout even when fully inflated (120psi).

Maybe I just had a once in a blue moon run of bad luck with those punctures (1 by some icky bit of wire, 2 by thorns. I found and removed all of them when I put new tubes in). Thinking about adding tire liners... but man, these Gator Skins are pretty heavy already. :o(

bikeworks2012-11-06T08:45:32Z

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Here's the deal.

As you know, tubes are simply bladders that expand to whatever they are inside. As they expand the wall of the tube gets progressively thinner (think of making a pizza dough).

Depending on the original thickness of the uninflated tube you MIGHT be stretching it to the point of failure BUT a difference of 2mm makes virtually no difference... if the tube thickness is 1mm when uninflated (assuming that its "small tolerance" keeps it that way), an additional 2mm inflation will stretch the tube and reduce it's thickness by 0.15mm. That is less than 0.006" (six thousandths of an inch), or just about the average thickness of a human hair.

You noted that there was indeed penetrations through the tire which caused the flats. This means that the tubes had nothing to do with your problem

Anonymous2012-11-06T03:51:23Z

I have 700c X 25 Gatorskins on one of my cycles, and originally I used 700c X 18 - 25 tubes. With this set up I was constantly getting pinch flats. I'm quite heavy (OK, too heavy) and whenever the tyre pressures dropped below 100 psi I'd end up with a puncture.

I changed the tubes for some 700c X 25-25, and since fitting them, some 12 months ago, I haven't had a single pinch flat puncture.

I think it's because the narrower tubes have to stretch to fit the tyre, and this makes the walls of the tubes thinner, which in turn reduces their puncture resistance.

The first link shows the tubes I use, which have a 42mm stem, and the second link shows a similar tube with a 60 mm stem, so suitable tubes are available. If your local shop can't get them, you could order them over the internet. The company with this web site will ship to almost any country. There is a tab in the top right hand corner that allows you to switch to your local currency.

I will add that it's very unusual to get punctures with Gatorskins, in over 2,000 miles I've had two punctures due to glass, and one off those went through the sidewall.

blazingpedals2012-11-06T11:07:30Z

You're getting punctures, so the problem is really with stuff getting through your tires. Gatorskins have a rep for being pretty resistant, but no tire is immune to having sharp stuff penetrate. Even the GS only has a puncture strip down the middle of the tread; it doesn't cover the whole carcass. So, point one is to stop riding in crap. I never ride in the shoulder and that's why.

Point #2, tubes come in different widths, but also in different, well, weights. you can get thin racing tubes or thicker touring tubes. The racing tubes are more fragile but will be faster. The touring tubes will be heavier, nominally more resistant to things like pinches, but be slower. It sounds like you want the heavier tube.

Point #3, if you live in goat head country, you WILL get flats no matter what tire/tube combination you use. Deal with it.

John M2012-11-05T21:34:08Z

Tubes are rated for a range of sizes. I bought 700 X 18-26c. Check where the hole lines up with the tire or rim. I always find the cause still in the tire. You can always add Mr Tuffy tire liners. Also make sure the tires are properly inflated.

?2012-11-06T05:34:38Z

nothing is unusual for flats
as far as stem, try pushing it out with your thumb through the 'flat' tire
if it is too short

no using a 2mm 'narrower' tube won;t do anything

wle

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