Philosophically Speaking, Consider a Ipsum Creatio causal loop?
Disclaimer: I am an agnostic atheist. I am posing this question as a scholarly one, as a hypothetical, to see how people react to it. I acknowledge that there could be people for and against. If you are against this idea, please calmly say why and what flaws there are.
I will be using the term God in this example. I am not saying that there is actually a God or not, or which one. The only assumption is that the God in the example is able to create, destroy, and travel through time. Although a Spatial Mode can be applied, I will not do so in this example.
1. Let us assume that there is a single length of time labeled 'B'.
2. God begins to exist seemingly ex nihilo.
3. God's first action is to create a length of time after B, this one being labeled 'C', that's duration is irrelevant in this example.
4. God then creates a length of time prior to B, this one being labeled 'A'. He travels through time so that he is present in A.
5. While in A, since it is before both B and C, theoretically only A exists during that period of time.
6. God creates B, and then he creates himself within B.
7. The God of step 6 then travels in time to C, where he remains then on.
What are your opinions of this example of an Ipsum Creatio causal loop? Also, let us assume that it is not a God that did this, but rather a human time traveler, in such a way that it appears as the following:
1. The Universe exists as we know it.
2. A time traveler named Stewie is born at some point of time in this Universe.
3. Stewie uses his time machine to travel before the creation of spacetime.
4. Because of the time machine, there is a small "speck" of spacetime that manifests in a void that is without space and without time. This small "speck" shall be known as the Singularity.
5. Stewie overloads the time machine, spawning the Universe as we know it from that Singularity.
6. Stewie then re-manifested at a point in this Universe slightly after the events of Step 3.
7. The Universe from step 5 exists as Step 1 and eventually leads to Stewie's birth in Step 2.
This example can be called the Stewie Griffin Principal. It can be used to show that the Universe is just as capable of creating itself as God would be, in theory, except we already know that there is a Universe around us.
@Child Progeny
Yes, that could also be assumed but (A) it's not really relevant and (B) that situation would cause a Paradox, while the one above is a closed causal loop.
@Jim V
I am sure that you are aware that I was providing only one aspect of any god and not the Judeo/Christian understanding. In the example, none of the lengths of time can be considered pre-existing, due to the methodology of how he created them.
As for the time traveler portion, have you considered a time machine that comes into existence that is more powerful than the one that you're imagining? All time machines that we currently have thought of are fictional and are unlikely to reflect upon the ones that we might possibly come up with in reality. Our science has no way of determining what would actually happen if you overload what would be all of the existing space, time, and energy that exists (at, say, t=-1) simultaneously, so for all we know this kind of event could easily cause the Big Bang.
I also have some skepticism for the mass/energy density that you've provided... Misspelling centimeter has kind of harmed your credibility, as well as knowing that it is impossi
@Tomp
That makes me think of an accordion, frankly. The model that you've presented adheres purely to entropy/enthalpy relations and does make sense to me--I feel that is it quite as feasible as what I've presented, without any way of our current sciences to really allow differentiation between mutually exclusive theories.
A couple of further questions for your position, if I may, and do excuse me if you did intend to have these covered with your explanation (I'd rather be certain anyways). (A) Does your views on spacetime include how the very first Universe came to be in this universe-begets-universe concept, or is the series meant to have always been happening, through an infinite amount of universes? (B) Is it at all possible, in your views of time, for one of these Universes to produce a scenario stemming from a physical law that we know not of, that ceases the continuation of begotten universes? and (C) Would time travel still be possible in your view, assuming that a
@Jim V
I'm glad you've provided sources! But, alas, they are useless sources for various reasons:
(1) We seem to be having trouble staying with the initial premises of the theory. This is purely a philosophical example, it is beyond our purposes (because, as you realize this is only designed to serve a particular purpose, physics and the Big Bang not actually being a part of it.
(2) The scenario is designed to apply to any God that contains the properties I've listed. The Judeo-Christian god can be included because the intent is to respond to the statements concerning God's self-creation (being that there is an ongoing argument as to whether God creates Himself or if he has always been. This scenario is meant to be a continuation on the prior, assuming the latter is irrelevant)
(3) I appreciate the arguments that you've been making. I'll be sure to include another point between 4 and 5 of the time traveler's portion telling of how any spacetime before the U