Answer to EXPOSE TRUTH's question "Is Jesus the Son of God or God the Son ?"?
Is Jesus the Son of God or God the Son ? Yes
2014-10-07T20:00:10Z
@EXPOSE TRUTH - John 1:1 seems to affirm the Divinity of Jesus. Over and over again in the Gospel Jesus identified himself as the "I AM" which infuriated the Jews, for reasons you clearly wouldn't understand. Yes Paul wrote that Jesus was exalted, keeping in mind that Jesus as God condescended below all things. From that position to which Jesus went, the Father highly exalted him, as Jesus prayed in John 17:5, which also proves that Jesus is God, one with the Father, since before the Creation.
2014-10-07T20:05:04Z
@EXPOSE TRUTH - And Jesus called the Father "greater" than he? "Greater" in what way? The Bible makes it very clear, Jesus is God, same Divine Being as the Father, different roles and offices played out by each member of the Godhead, and the Father's is clearly greater. Now I couldn't answer you before, did you block me out?
2014-10-07T20:06:49Z
@EXPOSE TRUTH - And your "THE ANTI-TRINITY BIBLE" source can't be the same Bible as Christians you, but by yet another Antichrist Bible, otherwise you are reading the Bible so wrong.
2014-10-08T07:51:42Z
@EXPOSE TRUTH again - You say, "Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God..," Paul wrote in Colossians that all things are made by Jesus, Jesus is the Creator. In Philippians he wrote that Jesus was in the "Form of God" meaning he was everything it meant to be God, but he condescended and became Man. To Titus and Timothy he wrote of God as Savior, clearly identifying Jesus with God, as he wrote of Jesus to guess who? Philippians! Peter and John also though Jesus was God, look.
2014-10-10T16:40:52Z
@Defender of Truth - Home now, anyway..."God's spirit" can be called a "something," but the "Holy Spirit" is a "Someone," who the Jehovah's Witnesses must hate brutally! The Holy Spirit is a PERSON, Acts 8.29: The Spirit told Philip, "Go to that chariot and stay near it." SOMEONE told Philip something. See more at -- http://www.letusreason.org/Trin4.htm
?2014-10-07T14:03:11Z
Jesus is both the Son of God and God. =)
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
One of some of the New Testament writers' claims was that Jesus is a descendant of King David, and so has the right to be a king as would have been expected of the awaited legendary Messiah, and worthy of the title "Son of God". "Son of God" is a title applied to the real king of Israel: 2 Samuel 7:14, "I will be his (David's) father, and he shall be my son". There is also the story of Christ’s baptism that seems to back up the kingship claim when a dove appears above Jesus’ head, and a voice is heard saying “This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17 and Luke 3:22). But Paul reflects a slight change in belief when he says, "The gospel God promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead - Jesus Christ our Lord" - Romans 1:1-6.
As well as this, there's the Greek and Roman influences in the area in New Testament times so maybe the idea of a hero being the son of a god and a mortal woman influenced the nativity story in the gospel of Matthew. Examples from Greek myth include Perseus and Heracles who were sons of Zeus by mortal women.
The Trinity is a construct based partly on the Gospel of John, Chapter 1, about "the Word (Logos)". "...And the Word was with God, and the Word was God, ... (and) in the beginning with God... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us". This is a mystical reference to Jesus Christ that has been interpreted by the Christian Church as meaning that he was part of God, and is now believed to be the second Person of God. The first Person is God the Father. They also refer to the story of Christ’s baptism when a dove appears above Jesus’ head, and a voice is heard saying “This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17 and Luke 3:22).
There are many references to the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, and again this has been interpreted by the Christian Church as the third Person. Some theologians have tried to square the circle by explaining that the Son issues from the Father, from eternity, and the love between the Father and Son is itself a Person, the Holy Spirit.
The doctrine of the Trinity was adopted generally in the Council of Nicaea in 325CE. It's tempting to think that it's influenced by other pagan beliefs. Theologians try to make it sound technical by referring to the Triune God - One God, with 3 Persons.
Although the King James Version states "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" (1 John 5:7), the New American Standard Bible shows "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement." (1 John 5:7-8). The KJV seems to have been contrived to support the much later doctrine.
Theologians sometimes take a more recent concept or construct and read it back into earlier scriptures. So they might then interpret earlier scriptures as referring to newer doctrines that the author never intended. So in Genesis 1, when it refers to God saying "Let us ...", they then re-interpret that as the Trinity talking to itself; the author had probably envisaged the Canaanite pantheon (Elohim, sons of the Most High God El Elyon).
Modalism (also known as Sabellianism, modalistic monarchianism, or modal monarchism) is the non-trinitarian belief that the Heavenly Father, Resurrected Son and Holy Spirit are different modes or aspects of one monadic God, as perceived by the believer, rather than three distinct persons within the Godhead.
Jesus is the SON OF GOD nowhere in the bible does it say "god the son" that is a twist on scripture designed to support the false Trinity!
For many thousands of years Gods own people did not worship a Trinity, in fact they taught the following,.....”hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah:” Deuteronomy 6:4 NAV
The Jews were very different from the surrounding nations who DID worship a triad of Gods, such as the Babylonians and the Egyptians who were well know for it, however Gods people were different as they were monotheistic and were not influenced by the pagans triad worshipping. This is one of the reason why Israel were warned about affiliating with the surrounding nations, so that they did not end up worshipping their false Gods!
Jesus backed up that belief when in prayer to his heavenly father said,...”"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. Notice how he calls his father the ONLY TRUE GOD!
The first century Christians taught the same when they preached for example 1 Cor 15: 24-28 where we see in Vs 24 that Jesus has a GOD AND FATHER and that in Vs 28 he SUBJECTS himself to his God & Father!
Unfortunately the Christian congregation by the forth century had given in to the surrounding nations triad form of worship, this was the great Apostasy that Paul had foretold would set in after he was gone, and the Trinity doctrine was then born there in Constantinople in the 4th century. This was contrary to what the first century Christians taught !
Here is where the Trinity comes from, the nations Trinity pre-dating Christianity, pagan nations that God had warned them about. (Egypt, Babylon and many others)
Only those that oppose Jesus will accept the Trinity Doctrine.
Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33) However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.
Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? —Philippians 2:9.
JOHN 5:18
HIS OPPOSERS ACCUSED HIM OF MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL TO GOD!
This is why the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God.
Philippians 2:9
For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name.
here is an alternate translation of the John 1:1 http://www.centerplace.org/hs/iv/iv-joh.htm i think it says that Jesus is the word of God, (i.e. prophet chosen one anointed one; spokesman For God) 1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made which was made.
4 In him was the gospel, and the gospel was the life, and the life was the light of men;