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Atheists can only account for subjective moral values. For something to be objective it requires a ruling authority that cannot be contradicted.
Atheists are forced to believe that our sense of objective moral values is just that: a sense created by our evolved mind and therefore an illusion. But that in itself is self refuting. The word objective means something is true despite what any one individual might think. Example: If the human race were extinct; would murder still be wrong? Answer: yes because morality isnt dependent on the subjects only the object which is God.
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Hmmm.
No , I cannot provide objective basis for morality that is independent of Culture. Honest, I don’t think you can either.
P.s. why not? Did you know that the greatest example of gene-culture coevolution is the size of our brain? It almost tripled in size in six million years. Not just by random accident, but accelerated by cultural inventions like campfires, empathy and altruism for group members, even empathy for other groups. We learned to get along. We formed larger groups, and began eating a lot of meat. Unlike our habiline ancestors who trouped in smaller groups eating plants and insects.
So the brain evolved as our culture evolved.
Onlooker
Objectively, the universe doesn't care what we do, but the nature of evolution is survival and that alone leads to a form of rightness that has allowed us over time to develop models that seem to be leading the world in the right direction (albeit slowly). At any rate, people tend to be living longer, have greater access to sources of pleasure, and are freer to express themselves than they once were. So, right and wrong are part of survival of the species, and at times both atheists and religious folk get it wrong and at times they get it right.
Huh?
Can theists provide a specific condemnation of slavery, genocide, infanticide, or rape from the bible. Since the bible doesn't condemn these evil acts but condones all of these immoralities why should anyone with a brain regard the bible as a moral guide?
Human beings evolved traits such as basic fairness and empathy because as a social species it is necessary to maximize our survival, that is basic evolution by natural selection.
There is no need to believe in a god to be moral or ethical.
Ernest S
Atheists can't even prove they are Atheists let alone anything else.
God has shown sufficient to all, so what is it they are denying?