Does Romans 3:23 say "We all ***DO*** sin and fall short of the glory of God? Why does the next vs say "Being justified freely..." (v24)?

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OPsaltis · Answer

Salvation is not a one-time event. It's a process -- we are "being transformed" from glory to glory (2 Cor 3:18). We were saved by the death and life-giving resurrection of Jesus Christ; we are saved by God's grace (Eph 2:8) ; we shall be saved (Rom 5:10) by his life.

Search the scriptures -- see that God's redemption of his beloved creatures is past, present, and future. We can point to a time when we first made a decision to follow Christ -- but that's neither the beginning of salvation nor the end of it. It is ongoing. That's why repentance is also ongoing -- to stay on the path, to get up and dust ourselves off when we fall, to take the hand of God again, and resume the journey to our final home in God.

Forgive me.
/Orthodox

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Do you mean to tell all of us here that you haven't had so much as a sinful thought since your holy spirit baptism?

If you have, and we all know you have--we've seen the results of some of them, you are also STILL a sinner--just like the rest of us.

The difference between you and someone who hasn't been "baptized" is that you can repent and rid yourself of all the sins you commit....and that's what Paul is referring to.  As believers, we shouldn't want to live a whole life of sin, but that doesn't mean we won't, on occasion, commit a sin or two....for which we have to repent.

UPDATE:  Most of us here are saying the same thing--you admit in the comments to this question that you do "sin."  So that is not the argument.

The problem is the definition of the term "sinner."  Most of us here are using the term in it's most basic English version--one who sins--which is all of us.  Norine is using the term in the Biblical sense.  A "sinner" being someone who has not repented, and lives still "in sin."

Norine sins, but she is saved and can repent.  Her use of the word "sinner" refers to someone who has not yet been saved, and still needs to repent.  I think we're all on the same page given these differences.

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Water baptism?

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magix151 · Answer

Read on. The rest of the verse and the next explain it.

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"All have sinned and [DO] fall short of the glory of God."  One contributor, N., likes to edit scripture as suggested here.

Does Romans 3:23 say "We all ***DO*** sin and fall short of the glory of God? Why does the next vs say "Being justified freely..." (v24)?

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Does Romans 3:23 say "We all DO sin and fall short of the glory of God? Why does the next vs say "Being justified freely..." (v24)?