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If Bush lied to start Iraq war, who thinks he's lying to start an Iran war?
Some people claim Bush lied in order to justify war in Iraq.
Now he's making belligerent noises about Iran, and doing his best to invite that country to attack American naval vessels or land assets.
Bush makes claims abour Iranian nuclear capabilities that no one else backs. He seems to inflate Iran's support of terrorists. Can anyone believe anything he says now - after Iraq?
Is Bush lying about Iran in order to justify an attack - or a massive over-response to some Iranian provocation - before his time in office is finished? Is there any reason the United States should really feel so completely friightened about Iran?
More importantly - what does the U.S. stand to gain from war with Iran? Is such a war even really winnable for the U.S.?
The long recitation of various congressional comments about iraq actually demonstrate the power of lies. The posters failed to also present extracts from the many, many reports stating that the Bush Administration was making up Iraq's attempt to obtain nuclear materials from Nigeria - in fact, was intentionally hiding the fact that they knew it was false. Or the reports completely debunking Rice's assertion that Iraq had purchsed equipment for nuclear programs - those infamous "aluminum tubes." Or the reports that Saddam had huge stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons - when none of the UN inspectors had been able to find them. Or the statements of the inspectors themselves that the rush to war was wrong and was based on lies and deception.
Congress at the time was also wholly beholden to a terrified public after 9/11 in an election year. It WAS cowardice and unworthy of them. And Lieberman is not to be trusted at all.
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- -RKO-Lv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
The Bush administration will lie about Iran for the same reason it lied about Iraq: OIL.
Cheney covets all that OIL, and before Bush leaves office, the U.S. will be 'at war' - however illegally or immorally.
Administration officials know "weapons of mass destruction" won't work again, so they'll probably stage another 'terrorist attack' on U.S. soil just before the 2008 elections. Bush will be ordered to declare martial law (which is easier to do since he has revoked the Posse Comitatus Act of 1879). He will claim that this is not the time for a change in administrations, and will install himself as President for an indefinite period of time.
Just as the Bush #1 non-military 'benchmark' in Iraq is to force the Iraqi Parliament to surrender two-thirds of its oil fields (allowing American oil companies to virtually STEAL Iraq's most valuable economic resource), a 'war' in Iran will accomplish the same objective: seize Iran's OIL - at any cost in civilian and troop casualties. -RKO- 01/15/08
- 5 years ago
Money greed and power, this is what george Bush his Family and their Ahrib friends are all about, oh and Dick Chainey has been pulling the government halliburten String from day one. Even the electronic voting machines are loaded, How do you think obama is going to keep winning? Beter get to paper Balloting again so what if it takes 2 days or 3 days to come up with the totals. They all count and its much more honest way to count with paper trails!! Obama is all talk, Large big inteligent talk but still the same old Bush and Chainey talk in the end. hillary will get done what she has told us IN DEPTH! Here promisses in change are achievable, but we dont even here in public Speeches what Obama is going to do and HOW? And the Obama backer will tell you to go to his website, but words on paper only are not a thing to be held true. I'll take the hilary team any day, its a Done deal Texas, Ohio, PA, Wisconsin, Hawaii. Evryone wake up! The kids dont know what politics are about yet, but they are voting for mr. hollywood head Obama. he's the new Britney Spears
- 1 decade ago
Lemme correct you. You missed mentioning afghanistan, threats to all neighbouring muslim countries who would not co-operate or stay quite like syria and pakistan etc.
He has hidden agendas and bin laden is just a charcter made to justify wt excuses they have to make. He is not a representative of any country or political party who has EVER BEEN KNOWN TO MUSLIMS, seen in general public, has a political part or any public speech standing under sky and with many people.
Its not just bush its a lobby who is powerful then american presidents and its them who make them do that. Its just religious hatery and some monetary benefits like oil etc.
- R WLv 61 decade ago
I'm in total agreement with you and see where your coming from. Bush only knows how to lie and way too many people liston to him. I believe,if a country attacks us...go in..kick butt..take out who ever is respondsable and get out.End of conflict / war..period. The way Washington is sucked into Bush's lies ..we can not win any wars.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Lying or not, thoughtful people will realize that George did teach us something. Going to war in the middle east is the dumbest thing we can do. We certainly need an INTELLIGENT approach.
- dave bLv 61 decade ago
So, since congress approved the war..........why aren't you complaining about them?
Bush could not have done it without congressional approval.
BUT WAIT! You will simply say "Bush lied" and mislead congress!!!!
It's been proven, bad intel or not, that Bush and congress had the same information.
People like you will be the downfall of America. The bad thing is.....that's exactly what you want. KMA.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Here's your lies:
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002
"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002
"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America�s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002
"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam�s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq�s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration�s policy towards Iraq, I don�t think there can be any question about Saddam�s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002