To Ex Jehovah's Witnesses, What About Baptism?

I do not quite agree with "Father, Son, and Spirit Guided Organization".

Here are the baptismal questions:

On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

There are several fallacies in these two statements.

Sacrifice -

The Watchtower celebrates death of Jesus. This by simple definition make the Watchtower a death cult.

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Jesus does not say to baptize people into death. Here is what Jesus said:

John 21:

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen

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Jesus does not teach that people should baptize into the death which is what the first baptismal question states as "sacrifice".

God is not a god of the dead but the God of the living.

Mark 12:

27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

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Dedicating to Jehovah -

The name used for God Almighty YAH is a polluted form using substitutions and replacements that are far from accurate. This is even moreso shown in the English form; "jeh is a demon of prostitutes and hovah is ruin in the Hebrew".

Jah used as a name too is a form of a demonic name derived from 'jabulon' a demonic triumvirate.

So basically an English speaking perason is agreeing to do the work of a demonic entity.

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Repentance

"Repent" in the context of Jeus teaching is salvation, it is referring to a truly God-given, Spirit-led change of heart and mind toward God about sin.

Paul explains the nature of the the sin in the flesh in a different way than Jesus. Jesus uses the beatitudes and other sermons to explain the nature of purity and striving toward it. Paul is blunt and deals practically, Jesus teaching is complete and a person with discernment can understand and apply the teaching.

A person can say they repent of sin though this is done with by a change of heart and by God.

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The second question uses baptism and dedication in relationship to the Watchtower and the entity jeh'hovah the spirit (small 's') guiding the Watchtower.

Identity becomes important to the people that get baptized into the Watchtower. This is nurtured by the writing and becomes an exclusivity teaching that is the marker of a cult.

The word 'associated' reduces this to an 'based on approval' relationship. The follower of the Watchtower turns over to the leadership means of validation and power of choice.

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Being baptized into an organization is not the baptism of repentence as was the baptism of John nor the Baptism of the Spirit as is the Baptism of Jesus Christ.

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At no time does the baptismal questions of the Watchtower fit the teaching of Jesus. The Father who the Jehovah's Witnesses are taught is Jehoveh is not mentioned. The name of Jesus is only mentioned as a sacrifice. The Holy Spirit is not mentioned either but 'spirit' directed organization is the focus.

I came to the conclusion after a few years, that I could not consider the Baptism with the Witnesses, anything but unchristian. I got re-baptized about 3 years ago.

I decided that my first baptism was to another That is a counterfeit lord. I wanted to rededicate and be baptized.

This is the most important part though...You are not tied to works anymore.....you are a child of Christ now and if your heart tells you to be baptized again then do so but not for Works rather for Grace.

I used to think that I was in need of re- baptism.But later I realized that when I was baptized in 1969 that I never agreed to dedicating myself to any one other then the Father Son and Holy Spirit so I will stand on that understanding and I realized this when I was asked to write a letter of disassociation by some elders and one sa id authoritatively that I dedicated myself to Jehovah's visible organization and I had went back on my vow.I remember I studied the Lamp book and I did not dedicate myself to an organization .I would never had done that.I am Gods child and I dedicated myself to him.No need for another dedication .Plus now I am baptized in the spirit so I believe it is valid.I am sure that you are fine without baptism.But if you question it perhaps you should do it for your conscience sake.

If you have been baptized at the Christian church as an adult or at least old enough to understand what you are doing, then another Christian baptism is valid. I have heard of people getting re-baptized two times as an adult when they felt that they had fallen away from God's ways.

If you have not had Christian baptism, then you should have it. God knows your heart, but it is a nice outside sign that you are following Christ now.

I was baptized before the 1985 glorification of the organization, so my baptism is valid too I think. I would recommend getting dunked again just to be sure though. I began attending my neighbor's house church last month and am considering getting baptized. He is all for my remaining undercover and rescuing JWs from the tower adn thinks that getting rebaptized is not necessary, but did not oppose my idea.

Don't you think it's a bit extreme to call fellow Christian denominations with very minute differences "False Religion" and condemn them like?

I was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, never baptized, but I am now a practicing Zen Buddhist. To me, I'd think you should show your devotion to whatever belief you follow by baptism, if that's a requirement. Find what your truth is, whatever denomination or belief that may be, and then dedicate yourself to *that* one.

I got baptized in 1973 as a Jehovah's Witnesses and stop going in 1974.

When I found another church to go to,I ask the Preacher and he told me the it was not needed.

I'm 85 years old and I was never baptized. I have great grand children who love me and I could not begin to list in this space the good things I have done in my life. I'm a philanthropist. I'm also an atheist. So you see - baptism is not a necessary thing in life.

I got Baptized again after I woke up and accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior !

I had new friends and acquaintances and a bunch more people that I Invited to my Baptism !!!!

I wanted everyone to see !

After I did it, It Dawned on me why Jesus said to do it !!!!!!!!!!!!

All those people who were there are saved, even the ones who were not saved when they came !!!!

EDIT: It is SOOO not about me !

It's about Him, always was !

I think it is a personal decision. I think if it were me I would likely get re-baptized.