Why don't the Jews realize that Jesus is their Messiah?

Jesus is not anything for Jews. He is "messiah" or rather Christ for Christians only. Jews answer this question almost everyday, several times a day sometimes, as you will see if you spend any time here in R&S. Sacrifices were not about going to heaven, it was about obeying God and it was about trying to show God in a concrete fashion their love for God. It was as a gift to God as one would give their best as a gift to their parents on either Mother's or Father's Day. It was also a way to provide for priests and to sanctify (bless) the food you ate.

If Jesus existed in any manner as many believe (but don't know), in the NT he called the temple his father's house. I don't believe you want to agree with those who believe Jesus's father was Satan? The Law is another term for God's word or large parts of the first books of your bible, which Jesus said a few times that people should fulfill just like he sometimes also fulfilled or in other words kept and obeyed. So if the law is satan's "power" you are saying it is also Jesus's power. Rev 2.9, applies to non-jewish people who were or are falsely claiming to be Jews but aren't because they still practice paganistic rituals or idolatry, such as drinking symbolic blood, eating symbolic flesh, worshipping an "incarnate" god or a god in a human image. Carrying your cross like Jesus is burdensome.

The NT appears to be very anti-Jewish propaganda promoted by pagan Rome, so only Jews who surrender to "Rome" either because they are brainwashed, got wary and just gave up, or because they had a sword pressed into their back accept it as "truth". There is no evidence any of the NT was written by any Jew. And even if part of it was or Jesus was, that is no good reason for Jews to reject their covenant with God. Just like there is no reason why I should join the American Nazi party or the Ku Klux Klan, just because I and they are Americans. Salvation is one of several originally Jewish ideas (like messiah) (given to them by God), which were adopted and adapted/changed by "Jesus" and Christians. God (Our Father as written in the old testament) saves all those who call upon God (even "if not in truth"). Why get saved "by blood" which, according to the bible, is a pagan and an idolatrous idea, when Jews and also you can be saved by God directly? Even Jesus had a parable about a wayward son, much like himself, returning to his Father.

Alright Johnnyboy... Here it goes:

No Jews claim a "bloodline". That is rediculous. Judaism is purely a religion and you will NEVER hear a Jew mention his/her bloodline. The RELIGION and automatic acceptance into the Temple/Synagogue depends on the mother's religion. If the mother is Jewish BY RELIGION or was BORN JEWISH BY RELIGION, then her child is automatically accepted as Jewish BY RELIGION.

Prayer has always been the best way to atone for sins, not sacrifice. At the time of the Holy Temple, sacrifices were mainly carried out by Priests and the Jews that could afford it. The more common class of Jews who didn't have the means to sacrifice cattle prayed for their sins. It has always been the most accepted and sufficient way to atone for one's sins and it has never changed. So just because the Temple isn't there anymore doesn't mean that Jews are suddenly not able to atone.

They stopped doing sacrifices because the Temple was destroyed, not because of Jesus. The birth of Jesus has no correlation with the Temple's destruction. Read your history.

Just because their laws are "burdensome" doesn't mean that they should become Poe's and seek the easy way out. Sorry, buddy, but Judaism since it's inception has always been a life-long task not meant for lazy people.

The rest of the crap you wrote is worthless. It is stated in the Torah that their Messiah would not be a man-god. That is called idol-worship and it is a big no-no in Judaism.

Sorry to burst your bubble. :(

Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Moshiach (Messiah) because the following have not been fulfilled (at one time on Earth - no second chances!):

* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)

* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)

* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)

* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)

* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)

* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)

* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)

* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)

* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)

* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)

* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)

* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)

* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)

* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)

* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)

* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)

* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)

* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)

* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot

* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)

* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)

* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)

* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9).

Messianic Jews are Christian liars, nothing more.

1. I've read Revalation. I've taken more classes ON Revalation than you have. I know that it says that those who claim to be Jews, and aren't, are the Synagogue of Satan. Guess what? In 1967, several Evangelical Christians decided to call themselves Jewish. Ever hear of a self-fulfilling prophesy?

2. The Jewish law is not burdensome. Christianity is far more legalistic than Judaism. Trust me on this. I would know.

3. The Bible was written by Jewish apostates. They had a clear problem with the Jewish leadership, and this clearly is reflected in the glaringly inaccurate methodology by which the Pharisees, Sanhedrin, exc, were portrayed in it. To say that the Bible is an accurate statement about Jews, Judaism, ancient Israel is like saying that Tacitus was an unbiased commentator on the early Roman emperors...The Bible would later be compiled, over a century after the alledged event, by several goyim interested in keeping crazy heretics out of their belief system. This was a good idea. I just wish many Christians appreciated the rights of other religions to do the same.

4. Jesus is not the Hebrew Moshiach. If you cannot figure out why, you should not presume to be able to talk to Jews about this topic. Jesus, in all likliehood, never existed. One of Jesus' hypothetical followers was an ex-Jewish con man named Paul.

5. How sweet. You insult Jews in every way possible, and then think that we will come running into the embrace of Christianity...

Peace

He isn't the Jewish Messiah.

Jesus failed to fulfil any but one of the Messianic prophecies and the one he did fulfil was being Jewish,he didn't bring world peace,nor was the Temple restored in his lifetime.

The Jewish Messiah will accomplish his mission in its totality during one life time on this earth, he will not need to come back a second time to complete the task.

Also the Jewish Messiah is not G-d in human guise,he is a man -indeed a very special man- who like many other men will marry and have children.

Jews will not worship the Messiah because to worship any one but G-d is blasphemous and considered idolatry.

Finally considering how many Jews have been killed in the name of Jesus I fail to see how his blood saved us.

Jewish people don't tell you what to believe so kindly afford us the same courtesy.

answer: You obviously haven't been paying attention.

No Jew talks about "bloodlines" and Jews answer this question DAILY. Perhaps you should do a search next time.

1) Jesus failed to meet the requirements and proved that he was NOT the Messiah

2) No Temple, no sacrifices. Blood was never an absolute requirement. Jews make amends - try it sometime.

3) Revelation talks about Jews who aren't Jews - sounds like a branch of Christians that claim to be Jews and aren't. Jews have never abandoned our ETERNAL covenant with G-d. Try again.

4) Jesus and the NT are irrelevant to Jews and Judaism

5) Keep your pain. Jews will NEVER worship anyone other than G-d and we do NOT believe in a human/deity sacrifice

6) Nothing to be saved from = no need for a divine savior

7) take your preaching to a street corner

* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)

* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)

* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)

* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)

* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)

*****In other words - this must all be accomplished in a human lifetime*****

* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)

* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)

* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)

* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)

* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)

* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)

* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)

* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)

* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)

* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)

* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)

* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)

* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)

* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot

* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)

* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)

* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)

* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9).

Thanks to Mark S and Plushy Bear

Reasons Jesus wasn’t the Jewish Messiah

divine birth/divinity - (the Jewish Messiah will be human – G-d cannot become human – Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:6, Hosea 11:9, Ezekiel 28:2, Numbers 23:19)

performing miracles - (JM won't perform miracles)

taking on the sins of others - (no one can take on the sins of others – Deuteronomy 24:16, Exodus 32:30-35, Ezekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27)

breaking Sabbath - strike (JM will be observant)

sacrificed/rising from the dead - (G-d rejects human sacrifice and blood sacrifice is NOT an absolute requirement – Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Jeremiah 19:4-6, Psalm 106:37-38, Ezekiel 16:20, Leviticus 5:11-13, Jonah 3:10, Leviticus 17, Leviticus 5:11-13, Numbers 16:47, Numbers 31:50, Isaiah 6:6-7, Jeremiah 7:22-23, Psalm 51:16-17)

prophecies unfilled - (JM will accomplish them in one life time)

The Messiah cannot trace his lineage through Jehoiakim, Jeconiah, or Shealtiel, because this royal line was cursed (I Chronicles 3:15-17; Jeremiah 22:18,30). But according to both Matthew 1:11-12 and Luke 3:27, Jesus was a descendant of Shealtiel

being worshiped - Jews worship G-d and only G-d

G-d is not a man that he should be deceitful nor a son of man that he should relent. (Numbers 23:19)

I will not act on My wrath, will not turn to destroy Ephraim. For I am G-d, not man, The Holy One in your midst. (Hosea 11:9)

Moreover, the Glory of Israel does not deceive or change His mind, for He is not human that He should change His mind. (1 Samuel 15:29)

He is not a man, like me, that I can answer him, that we can go to law together. No arbiter is between us, to lay his hand on us both. (Job 9:32-33)

Will you still say, “I am a god” before your slayers, when you are proved a man, not a god, at the hands of those who strike you down? (Ezekiel 28:9)

For your own sake, therefore, be most careful – since you saw no shape when the Lord your G-d spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. (Hosea 4:15)

For I am the Lord, I change not. (Malachi 3:6)

(thanks to What Jews Believe and PBW)

To reiterate what D. Aravah and Mr. Popingo said: No Jew has ever claimed that the Covenant between God and Israel is passed through a *bloodline.* If it were, it would also pass from father to child.

Do you know why Christianity is a religion of *faith.* It is a religion of faith because it *cannot* be proven. Believe in the Flying Spaghetti monster if you wish, just don't force your convictions on we Jews. Twenty centuries is far too long to be subjected to religious nonsense from others.

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Why don't YOU try reading the actual propehcies regarding the Messiah, and realize that Jesus doesn't satisfy any of them?

The Messiah will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5); Jesus was never a political leader.

The Messiah will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandements (Isaiah 11:2-5). Jesus broke commandments on a number of occasions, and went so far as to decide to attempt to change the ones regarding divorce.

The Messiah will be a military leader for Israel, and will be a great judge who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). Jesus was never a military leader, and never served in the judicial system.

The Messiah must gather the Jewish people from exile and return the to Isreal (Isaiah 11:12). Jesus obviously did not do this; the Jews were EXILED from Israel in part due to his influence.

The Messiah must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem (Ezekiel 37:26-27): Clearly THAT hasn't happened.

The Messiah will rule at a time of world-wide peace (Micah 4:3). Definite FAIL on that one.

The Messiah will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one God (Isaiah 66:23). Not even close.

And that's just for starters. Check out the following, and decide for yourself.

Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20

Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39

Ezekiel 38:16

Hosea 3:4-3:5

Micah 4

Zephaniah 3:9

Zechariah 14:9

Daniel 10:14

There are 23 actual prophecies about the Jewish Messiah and none of them are in the Torah (the first five books of the Tanakh):

* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)

* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)

* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)

* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)

* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)

*****In other words - this must all be accomplished in a human lifetime*****

* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)

* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)

* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)

* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)

* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)

* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)

* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)

* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)

* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)

* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)

* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)

* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)

* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)

* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot

* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)

* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)

* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)

* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9).

(Credit: Mark S and Plushy Bear)

Reasons Jesus wasn’t the Jewish Messiah:

* divine birth/divinity - (the Jewish Messiah will be human – G-d cannot become human – Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:6, Hosea 11:9, Ezekiel 28:2, Numbers 23:19) - strike

* performing miracles - (JM won't perform miracles) - strike

* taking on the sins of others - (no one can take on the sins of others – Deuteronomy 24:16, Exodus 32:30-35, Ezekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27) - strike

* breaking Sabbath - strike (JM will be observant) - strike

* sacrificed/rising from the dead - (G-d rejects human sacrifice and blood sacrifice is NOT an absolute requirement – Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Jeremiah 19:4-6, Psalm 106:37-38, Ezekiel 16:20, Leviticus 5:11-13, Jonah 3:10, Leviticus 17, Leviticus 5:11-13, Numbers 16:47, Numbers 31:50, Isaiah 6:6-7, Jeremiah 7:22-23, Psalm 51:16-17) - strike

* prophecies unfilled - (JM will accomplish them in one life time) - strike

* being worshiped - Jews worship G-d and only G-d – strike and OUT

Geneological errors in Christianity:

1. The Messiah is born of two human parents, as we said. But Jesus, according to Christian theology, was born of a union between a Human woman and God, rather than two HUMAN parents, as was Hercules, and Dionysis, as well as many other pagan gods.

2. The Messiah can trace his lineage through his human biological father, back to King David (Isaiah 11:1,10; Jeremiah 23:5; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:21-28; Jeremiah 30:7-10; 33:14-16; and Hosea 3:4-5). But Jesus's lineage cannot go through his human father, according to Christian theology, as Jesus's father was not Joseph the husband of Mary. According to Christian theology, Jesus's father was God.

3. The Messiah traces his lineage only through King Solomon (II Samuel 7:12-17; I Chronicles 22:9-10). But according to Luke 3:31, Jesus was a descendant of Nathan, another son of King David, and not a descendant of King David through King Solomon.

4. The Messiah cannot trace his lineage through Jehoiakim, Jeconiah, or Shealtiel, because this royal line was cursed (I Chronicles 3:15-17; Jeremiah 22:18,30). But according to both Matthew 1:11-12 and Luke 3:27, Jesus was a descendant of Shealtiel.

(Credit: Unknown, through Convert Ruth)

*yawn*

NT was written by Christians - and ones who knew nothing of Judaism. By the time it was compiled, Christianity had been an entirely Gentile faith for decades.

Jesus was *not* the Jewish Maschiach. The Jewish Mashiach will bring WORLD PEACE *BEFORE* HE DIES.

Now - do we HAVE world peace...?

Answer: clearly not.

Ergo: Jesus was one of many self-proclaimed messiahs but not the real thing. Plus Torah states over and over: G-D IS NOT A MAN.

I pity you - you are so insecure in your faith that you feel the need to belittle US just because we choose to disagree with your idolatry.

What a sorry state you must be in, feeling this way!