Why do Muslims try to fool non Arabic speakers about meaning of 4:34?

All i can say is people should know what theyre talking about before answering these questions, i think you're correct and if someone wants to know about a verse they should ask a sheikh and not just any random person. and they might have not necessarily tried to 'fool' non arabic speakers but they might have misunderstood it themselves. hope this helps.

Because people are naive and they tend to swallow anything. When people realize that religion is a practice used by many to extorts others than we will have peace on this planet. The Quran clearly tell men to beat their wives and people still have to find an excuse to tell you that it is only when the wife disobeys Allah therefore I wonder what is the punishment for a men who disobeys Allah, I guess nothing cause in Islam the men is superior to the women. Smacking your wife should not be tolerated even if she cursed at Allah, any other cult will at least tell you that. People will always find an excuse for the atrocities committed in the name of Islam. But eventually humans will evolve and become smarter. They will finally understand that Islam has no place in a modern society if its followers can not discern right from wrong.

Quran 4:34 is not a stand alone verse, the meaning has always was under debate and never a given, this is nothing new. Isn't it funny that the Majority of Muslims are caught between the Devil and the deep blue when it comes to getting to the true message of the Quran, on one hand the Islam haters are worried sick that the current trend of educated Muslims wrestling the interpretation of the Quran away from the "mullahs" will leave them in the dust. On the other hand the "Mullahs" masquerading as scholars are equally alarmed and are fighting tooth and nail. They are fighting not only to protect their license to subjugate ordinary God fearing Muslims but to protect their historical bedfellows, the corrupt leadership in the guise of Kings and dictators. And no less a figure like Ghazali agrees with Ahadiths like

Muslim Book 020, Number 4524:

"It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: It is obligatory for you to listen to the ruler and obey him in adversity and prosperity, in pleasure and displeasure, and even when another person is given (rather undue) preference over you."

At the same time it is hilarious to note that these two enemies of Islam, one from within and one from without have ended up supporting each other inadvertently in a strange twist of events. Both insist that the false and fabricated Ahadith literature is indispensable in understanding the religion and the primary document the Quran. Both insist on the alien concepts of abrogation and Shaan e Nazool as central to understanding Quran and both insist on the mythical consensus of the scholars.

Islam asks both male and female to restrict themselves only to their spouses. It's only allowed in extreme cases. Even in that case, to beat is the last option. First is to admonish, if this does not work then next step is to part from their beds, and if this also fails then is light beating.the Hadith of Holy Prophet (peace be upon him). He said;

"Fear Allah concerning women! Verily you have taken them on the security of Allah, and intercourse with them has been made lawful unto you by words of Allah. You too have right over them, and that they should not allow anyone to sit on your bed whom you do not like. But if they do that, (in that case) chastise them in a way that leaves no mark (i.e. not severe). Their rights upon you are that you should provide them with food and clothing in a fitting manner."

Muslim: Book 7: hadith 2803

If you have problem accepting that it;s meant for men to heat their wives lighty when they are unfaithful then it's your own problem and ther's nothing I can do about it. I hope I helped.

Okay, guys, forgive me for quoting my hubby over and over again, lol. I was not raised Muslim, so he knows more than me. Anyway, he says that it is what we call a "love tap". It is not a beating. I have never known any of our friends to hit their wives. They are very loving and kind, and good fathers as well.

first of all

islam is the only religion which equat men and women

check out this verse

and surah ahzab ayat number 35

35. Verily, the Muslims (those who submit to Allah in Islam) men and women, the believers men and women (who believe in Islamic Monotheism), the men and the women who are obedient (to Allah), the men and women who are truthful (in their speech and deeds), the men and the women who are patient (in performing all the duties which Allah has ordered and in abstaining from all that Allah has forbidden), the men and the women who are humble (before their Lord Allah), the men and the women who give Sadaqat (i.e. Zakat, and alms, etc.), the men and the women who observe Saum (fast) (the obligatory fasting during the month of Ramadan, and the optional Nawafil fasting), the men and the women who guard their chastity (from illegal sexual acts) and the men and the women who remember Allah much with their hearts and tongues (while sitting, standing, lying, etc. for more than 300 times extra over the remembrance of Allah during the five compulsory congregational prayers) or praying extra additional Nawafil prayers of night in the last part of night, etc.) Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise)

u dont know the arabic, so dont ever try to preach us

ther is an authentic hadith which say's

"prophet Mohammad(P.B.U.H) said the best man is one who is best to his wife"

if beating was really applied or allowed

dont u think all muslim women would have left ther husband and islam

No no one is trying to fool the non-arabic speakers

The prophet Muhammad (saws) already clarified the ayah and said:

(( ولا يضرب إلا ضرباً غير مبرح ولا يهجرها إلا في المبيت ))

ضرباً غير مبرح = light beating

ولا يهجرها إلا في المبيت = leave her only from bed

Seems some preachers of today are not proud of Islam as they should be. i believe beating them means hitting them (of course not so much that they faint or it leaves a scar on their body) but strongly enough to make them feel guilty, ashamed and punished. and so is the case for disobedient mature children(male or female).

the effectiveness of Islamic ways is clearly obvious by the crime and sin rate of a society where Islamic laws are practiced compared to places where they aren't.

Wallahu aalam bissawab

if you will take the time you will find that the western quran is nothing like the real arabic quran. bukhari vol. 7 book 62 # 132 the prophet said,'' no none off you should flog your wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day;;;;; some muslims say this means to tap lightly with a twig but i don't believe them.

Bukhari is the Book of saying of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), let me quote a saying before I start:

Bukhari vol. 7 book 62: 32 the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said,'' None of you should flog your wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day."

Allah (S.A) has given straight orders to all humanity about how should they deal with women. And the orders are straight and clear, not so rigid as you have mentioned in the question above. Its says, deal with the women by first talking to them, and then by separating from them and then at last hitting them or beating them. Now let us get to the depth of this. We will move on our explanation with the look at what is happening in this world today and how this order is right.

The first was is Talking With Them: Well nothing seems wrong with anyone with this part of the Verse. Talking is very polite way or solving things. So lets move to the next part.

Second part is Leaving Them: Well, you must be familiar with the fact that the highest rate of divorce is in the west. Almost every man has more than three relations in his life. So it is clear that those men Leave the women when they are not happy with them and when they think their women are wrong or cheating with them, so the west seems to follow this Verse up till here.

Third part Beat Them: Let me explain that here beating does not mean to brutally hit her, it mean to firmly treat her with an anger and tell her she is wrong by of course beating her a bit. Not on her head because in Islam beating on head is strictly forbidden even to men, not on her belly because it is sacred, not on her sensitive parts and not on her face. Where would you beat? legs? Yeah maybe a small pat. So it does not mean to hit her badly, it is just to scold her a bit. (Very informally: You kick your girlfriends a bit with anger when you are unhappy with them, does that mean you have beaten her? NO! So it is the small beating, the minute one, the one commonly found between couples in west too)

Why didn't Bush solve the Iraq issue by Talking to the bad boy - Saddam? Why did he need to "Beat" Saddam? I think you are getting me hmm... lets move one! West is ahead in statistics and another stat here tells that west has the highest number of Depression rate in men (there are more depressed men than women, see stats) which is due to the number of divorces and "Flirts" that the women play with them. Women leave the men after flirting enough with them and the men, after their women have gone sleeping with another man, they are left alone depressed and broken. That is why the west has the second highest drug addicts rate which, as the doctors explain, is due to the fact that depressed and single (those left by women) men starting taking drugs to give themselves relief. Where are we going? Divorces? Flirts? Illegal Sex? Drugs?

Christianity does NOT, and I repeat it Christianity does NOT allow illegal sex. The law of the west says you cannot beat your wife if she has slept with another man to whom she is not married. So it results that "You cannot beat your wife if she has 1. Done an illegal thing, 2. Is not loyal, 3. Committed a sin.

You cannot scold the woman who has eaten up your dollars and slept with you and took your time love and shared your bed and house and car and everything, can't you even scold her a bit? As I told earlier beating does not mean there to hit her, above legs beating is forbidden even when you are beating a man. Beating is altogether forbidden. It is the scolding which is ordered. Thats all.

I Hope all of my Christian, Jew, Hindu, Muslim, Budhist brothers have understood.