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Does all forms of green house gas global warming violate the 2nd law of Thermodynamics?
The climate models that predict catastrophic global warming also result in a net heat flow from atmospheric greenhouse gasses to the warmer ground, which is in violation of the second law of thermodynamics.
Any machine which transfers heat from a low temperature reservoir to a high temperature reservoir without external work applied cannot exist.
What mechanism allows for carbon dioxide in the cooler upper atmosphere to exerts any thermal “forcing” effect on the warmer surface below?
Doesnt this violate both the first and second laws of Thermodynamics?
Will the IPCC vote to repeal these laws? ;)
Oh for the people who personally insulted me or my intelligence this is NOT my theory so it doesnt hurt my feelings. Its the theory of an well respected German physicist who had a LOT more schooling then high school. Guess some people just like to insult others off handed
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- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
It does not violate the second law of Thermodynamics.
However the Global Warming Alarmists have hyped and exaggerated Global Warming and Climate Change far beyond what is really happening.
- whiteflame55Lv 61 decade ago
So now you finally feel it necessary to bring in the science, and you can't even do it right? Let's look at the two laws of thermodynamics you're talking about.
First law: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change forms. In any process in an isolated system, the total energy remains the same.
Let's start with this one. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Energy isn't being created or destroyed, but it is being reallocated, namely to the atmosphere. I'll get to how that works soon enough.
Second law: The entropy of an isolated system consisting of two regions of space, isolated from one another, each in thermodynamic equilibrium in itself, but not in equilibrium with each other, will, when the isolation that separates the two regions is broken, so that the two regions become able to exchange matter or energy, tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value when the jointly communicating system reaches thermodynamic equilibrium.
Hmm, interesting that you bring this up. Do you know much about chemistry? Let's take, for example, a membrane. Hell, let's take the membrane around each of your cells. That membrane allows for the import of certain chemicals that are small enough and have limited ionic charge. But everything else stays out. Wonder why? Because there's something there blocking it.
Now, you might be asking yourself, where is this membrane in the sky? I'll tell you: IT'S THE ATMOSPHERE! Interesting how things bind to the ozone layer and then STAY THERE. That's what happens to CO2, methane, and multiple other chemicals that reach the atmosphere. It's interesting that those same exact chemicals also give the atmosphere the interesting ability to hold heat. Hmm...wonder what that does. That means that this whole "equillibrium" you're talking about changes. If that's not a good enough example for you, I can give you dozens more, like why there's a difference between fresh water and salt water fish.
I'm amazed that you actually talk about chemistry with so little understanding. Why do you think 97% of scientists believe this if your chemistry is right? THIS IS BASIC CHEMISTRY. If you don't understand it, DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.
Edit: Home-School - if God regulates temperatures, why are there laws of thermodynamics? Why would they be necessary? After all, God controls all exchange of energy, so why are there any scientific laws upon which to base that exchange? If you have a problem with my logic, go ahead and present the problem. I very much doubt you understand what these laws actually are and how they can be applied to the atmosphere, but go ahead and disprove my conceptions of you if you can.
Edit #2: Bethy - if this is the opinion of a German physicist, either he/she or you hasn't thought it through. I'm going to guess that this physicist has done their homework and understands a lot better how the laws of thermodynamics work than what you've presented here. I'm going to guess that you just picked up this far shortened version of his explanation and posted it, because the chemistry in here is spurious at best. I've spent years studying chemistry myself, and this is one of the first things I learned. It's obvious you don't understand it. This is not an attempt to "hurt your feelings," this is an attempt to show you how chemistry works. Don't post on a subject like this when you don't understand it, simple as that, just as I wouldn't post a question about how mechanical engineering plays a role in anything because I don't understand that.
- ?Lv 71 decade ago
Since God created the earth and provides mechanisms that regulate the temperature and weather, it's likely both laws of thermodynamics still apply and neither were broken. Energy wasn't destroyed or created, it was simply shifted in form. Nor was the tendency toward randomness changed in it's essence. Energy is created by the sun and other natural forces. It radiates to the earth and warms us. The only thing that's broken, is liberal misuse of logic. mankind cannot alter the weather and the belief mankind can alter the weather is simply a ruse to put man above God and devalue, once again, the teachings of the Bible.
Some other laws may have been broken but they are man's laws not God's laws. It remains to be seen if Al Gore "broke laws" while providing the global warming hoax that frightened liberals and children for so long.
- Anonymous5 years ago
First off Mother nature does not play with theories and thermodynamics is just a theory ! Second off is that if you believe everything the science dudes tell us then you have a problem.....ya see they say the closer to the sun the hotter it is......yet mountain tops are cold and Death Valley is hot ? Oppppsssssssssssssssss !
- 1 decade ago
Audrey ...Could you explain how the global warming theory is constant with the second law... and are you acknowledging that the theory does violate the first law?
- 1 decade ago
Yes. The so-called "science" behind the British Empire's AGW fraud is complete lies, and the hoax is now on its last legs.
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I'm assuming you never graduated high school... Just stop talking please