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What can be made of this UFO report from 2 years ago? Accurate or not?
I've been poring over this report for the past 16 months, and I'm still unable to make a solidly rational decision on it. The PDF file (in the link below) is from radar data obtained during the "Stephenville Lights" incident in Texas (which occurred in January 2008). After actually reading the data, it does seem to be legitimate, and corroborates several eyewitness testimonials. All of the data appears to be included, according to the confirmed FOIA requests.
http://www.mufon.com/documents/MUFONStephenvilleRa...
I will only consider answers from those who have actually read the report, rather than those who scan and make a snap judgment. There is enough doubt in both directions to make this a difficult discernment to me. In emailing those who were involved in the analysis, the answers do seem to be cogent and well-reasoned. The math is certainly accurate, if the data (which, again, corroborates the eyewitness reports) is accurate.
Anyone wanna field this one?
Nice Guy: The issue I have with the PSICOP explanation is that it doesn't address the findings of the report (which do address things like calculation of size and distance). It specifically talks about the problems with estimation of size, but one of the solutions is determining where it was above the ground by someone familiar with the terrain (I believe it was a police officer in the report). The calculations were then estimated from the eyewitness's testimony, and took into account the exaggeration which occurs from memory. In addition, the report also says that there were "no planes in the area at that time" (which the radar data seems to confirm).
The data itself is where I'm having the hangup, as even taking into account the issues that CSICOP brings up, there is still the issue of the radar data confirming that an object accelerated and decelerated rather suddenly--much too quickly for a human pilot to withstand but might something so large be remote-controlled? It's maddening.
PSICOP = CSICOP (typo there, sorry)
ChainLightning: Do actually read the report, and the entire question. "Argument from ignorance" is something I'm familiar with. This particular report does take it into account... really, it's worth a read, and there's an actual reason I'm in this conundrum.
Superpsychicman: Could you be a little more specific about this coverup? I don't see much in the way of evidence of any kind of coverup in the report, or afterward (there's nothing pointing to it, as the event itself received ample news coverage, some even from international sources!).
Seriously, I'm going to demand proof if you're going to make such claims. I'm talking about this incident (and not any other), so I want facts related to this event only, not conjecture or comparison. Evidence, not theory. Proof, not belief.
Also: ChainLighting: Read the report. Then do a statistical analysis on the possibility that all of the radar towers were fooled at once, in the same place, at the same time, with corroboration from eyewitnesses... the argument relies on a preponderance of evidence, not on any single factor thereof. It's cogent, well-thought-out, well-documented, and there is plenty of other corroborating evidence as well. Though there are no physical traces, there is plenty of detail which was caught in a relatively short amount of time.
Or are you going to tell me that an entire town is conspiring against the scientific community to perpetrate a fraudulent claim? If this is the direction you're going, I'd love some proof. If not, please make your case for why corroborated testimony from multiple accounts cannot be held as accurate (especially as it's fine for some scientific claims, but not others). Why not, in this case?
For clarification: I am not saying "alien craft" nor did I imply it. What I did say is "object" because it's unclear what the origin of the craft is. What we do know is that the origin is unknown, and that the craft doesn't conform to any known design. So far, I'm seeing that people are resistant to the idea that the craft is clearly identified as unknown in origin, believing that this somehow equates to alien origin... my question is: can this be accurate?
I do have to say that Witchy's answer is compelling.
4 Answers
- ◄♥ Witchy Mel ♥►Lv 61 decade agoFavorite Answer
Red Heron, I am not clear on what it is you are looking to get from any of your answers. If you've been looking at this report for 16 months, if there was anything amiss, I'm sure you would have found it by now. Are you asking for someone to disprove what so far has not been disproven? It seems to me you are just banging your head against the wall because you can't find a flaw in the event or the report. Maybe there is no flaw.
Maybe it just is what is. :)
The solid rational answer is that as far as the general public is concerned, it was a UFO sighting. You are asking for evidence and proof...where do you think anyone here is going to get that from? All we have is the event, the report, the eye witness testimony and the video. One can come to the conclusion that it's a hoax but there is no evidence or proof of that. All evidence and proof leads to that it was a UFO sighting. It is what it is.
BTW, ditto to what Superpsychicman said: UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, and does not necessarily indicate an alien craft.
- Dr. NGLv 71 decade ago
The article below will clear up the incident for you.
Recently, here in NJ we had a similar UFO incident (2nd link). It was a huge story here and made national news. I don't immediately discount UFO tales but with all the hoaxes I take a wait and see.
Not surprisingly the experts including pilots, couldn't imagine what these lights could be. Equally unsurprising, the whole thing turned out to be a hoax. Two young guys, they say, trying to show how easy it is to pull one off.
Now I'm not saying all UFO sightings are hoaxes, only most of them. I'd bet a paycheck on this as well.
If those two hoaxers weren't exposed. There would be be a MUFON article similar to the one about Stephensville, TX, about Morristown,NJ.
As a skeptic, I don't believe extraordinary claims until I see extraordinary evidence. Sometimes, the best evidence only seems that way, because all of the evidence isn't in.
I believe in UFO's, in fact I think I've seen one. I'm just not willing to jump to any conclusions as to what it was.
Source(s): http://www.csicop.org/si/show/stephenville_lights_... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morristown_UFO - 1 decade ago
It is definitely accurate. All the bases have been covered and there are definitely some groups involved in trying to cover it up. What exactly the UFO is however, cannot be determined from the available information. Please note that UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, and does not necessarily indicate an alien craft. It could just be a secret military experiment and I can even see why they might not want to claim responsibility for it if that is indeed the case.
- ?Lv 71 decade ago
See the link on what Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson has to say.
For science the worse kind of evidence is eyewitness testimony.
Edit: I looked at it. But since there is no physical evidence, it is speculating at best. U means unknown. Radar can be fooled, humans can be fooled.
Source(s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k