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There is a supposed consensus that large amounts of people are dying due to diesel exhaust?

http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/archive.php?owner=...

Really now! Based on this symposium on Friday, is there a consensus or is the agenda being brought forth just because some want it, never mind the economic costs and costs to human health in people losing their jobs and security. Yes, Arden Pope who is a proponent of diesel regs also states that there is a larger health risk to people when they lose their jobs.

AGW issue is same thing

Update:

This symposium was ordered due to the chief author of these rules in California having a fake PhD from a mailbox in NYC.

This is the first time scientists had a chance to present the other side to this agency. Why? Because of the agenda of the left here in California.

Update 2:

Benjamin, "Are you denying that there's been premature deaths from long-term exposure to PM2.5?" Am I denying! Ha. Did you see the entire symposium, even the epidemilogists disagree on that issue and Benjamin, if I may educate you. PM2.5 includes all sources including natural dust, forest fires, (hundreds of sources). Diesel is less than 3%. What benefits can be seen by putting hundred of thousands of people out of jobs? Benjamin, you are insatiably ignorant of facts and it is clear you parrot yourself with the agendas out there without facts.

Update 3:

Muffinman. If you listen to the symposium in its entirety, they do not know and they all agree that diesel PM2.5 has any effect on health or discerning it from other PM2.5 like road dust, etc. that contain heavy metals or other pollutants. They cannot regulate natural occurances therefore pick on the least emitter, diesel PM2.5. What is your point again, destroy the economy for no reason?

Update 4:

Muffinman. If you listen to the symposium in its entirety, they do not know and they all agree that diesel PM2.5 has any effect on health or discerning it from other PM2.5 like road dust, etc. that contain heavy metals or other pollutants. They cannot regulate natural occurances therefore pick on the least emitter, diesel PM2.5. What is your point again, destroy the economy for no reason?

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
    Favorite Answer

    Regardless of the legislation, the idea that fine particulates from diesel exhaust aren't bad for your health is probably as accurate as cigarette smoke isn't bad for you. Argue the rules and regulations all you want, but that won't change the fact that people's health is adversely affected by this stuff.

    If you don't like the proposals, counter them with your own. Don't pretend that the threats don't exist. That's just lazy and stupid.

    Edit:

    I can't watch the video. Not sure why... Maybe it doesn't like Windows 7, WMP 11 or something. It says it will work with Firefox 3 and I have 3.5.8, so that shouldn't be a problem. I'm not going to install Silverlight just to watch it, since I've *never* needed it for anything else, including Microsoft pages that I've visited. On the other hand, it also says that my firewall may be the problem, but I'm not about to go poking holes in my firewall to watch it, either...

    Have another link where I can watch it that isn't so finicky?

    _

  • Dawgz
    Lv 5
    1 decade ago

    Just because CARB claims a 'Consensus' doesn't mean there is one, especially outside of California.

    I can recall a scientific consensus that 'No life in the Oceans exist beyond the reach of sunlight', then they discovered Deep Sea Fumerols with abundant life along the Mid-Sea Volcanic Rifts.

    There have been other forms of Consensus in the past...'We can't break the sound barrier'...'We can't produce submicron images using White Light'...'We can't put a man on the moon'!

    CARB will need to produce Published, Peer-Reviewed Studies before I consider it. But then again, their Over-Taxation & Excessive-Fee State policies have seen 'The Big Three Automakers' and 'Semiconductor Manufacturing' leave the state...all pre-Schwarzenegger. Hell, even more Hollywood Movies are made outside the State now. You'd think the Left would learn after forcing the Bankruptcy of the Wealthiest State in the Nation and the severe economic status of Orange County, the wealthiest county in that State!

    Source(s): Ex-Californian who got tired of making $60K/year just to get by paycheck to paycheck!
  • 1 decade ago

    Are you denying that there's been premature deaths from long-term exposure to PM2.5?

  • jerry
    Lv 5
    1 decade ago

    yes we need to ban all diesel engines, that means no trucks, no trains, no bulldozers,no tractors, it'll be utopia, and think of all the lives saved, and no one will be even slightly affected

  • 1 decade ago

    I can't believe that diesel exhausts and particulates are doing us any good

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