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intelex asked in Politics & GovernmentPolitics · 1 decade ago

When should we panic about the deficits and debt?

Obama and Congress have been trying to fund some component of a recovery to keep the US from sinking deeper into economic downturn, and the numbers are staggering and hard to digest. But here is what I have found (beyond hyperbolic punditry).

As part of the tax structure under Reagan, the debt increased from $908B in 1980 to $2,600B in 1988. Net, that would be $1,692B increase. Inflation adjusted from 1984 dollars, that would be $3,452B dollars to pull us out of the 82/83 recession and juice the economy.

Under G.H. Bush and his recession, the debt increased from $2,600B to $4,065B in 1992. Net, that would be $1,465B increase. Inflation adjusted from 1990 dollars, $2,417B.

2000-2008, the debt increased from $5,674B to $10,025B. Net, that would be a $4,351B increase recovering from the 9/11 downturn... technically a truly luke-warm, single quarter recession. Inflation adjusted from 2004 dollars, $4,917B.

2009-2010 increase in debt: $3,100B (just checked the debt clock)

2009-2015 increase in debt: $9,575B (based on a Treasury report to Congress) In inflation adjusted dollars, that could be around $8,200B - depending on inflation and dollar valuation changes.

That sounds really big and lots of spending to get us out of the most significant recession since the Great Depression. We also have with the lowest tax rates since WWII.

Deficit spending during the terms of these 4 Presidents in terms of GDP at their mid-term:

Reagan - 44.0% (based on 1984)

G.H. Bush - 23.5% (based on 1990)

G.W. Bush - 37.8% (based on 2004)

Obama (through 2015, using 2013 CBO GPD estimates and $8,200B) - 49.1%

Debt accumulation is projected to be slightly higher, in terms of our economy, than Reagan.

The top nominal tax rate under Reagan, 50%.

The top nominal tax rate under Obama, 35%.

Total federal tax receipts in terms of total US GDP:

Under Reagan (1980-1988), 18.3%

Under Obama (2009-2015), 17.3%

Using the tax structure under Reagan would have meant another $1,120B in revenue through 2015. That would reduce Obama's GDP deficit spending for economic recovery to less than Reagan had for the 82/83 recession and his entire presidency.

-The spending isn't as rampant as it appear based on the size of our economy, inflation, and the magnitude of the economic problem.

-The accumulation of debt is disturbing should change, but it seems the deficits are also fueled by tax revenue being at it's lowest point since WWII.

All I want for Christmas is the tax structure under Reagan. Would you agree, or should we just panic?

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN08846252010060...

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/mspd...

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10014/Appendix...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafa...

Update:

Shawn - if you have any real facts to back that up, besides hyperbolic punditry and opinions, I would be enthralled. The left is pissed at him because he is actually far more moderate than they hoped for. As a 'socailist', why would he back Blanche Lincoln over a progressive (Bill Halter)?

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
    Favorite Answer

    panic... no... BUT WHAT WE DO NEED TO DO IS...

    NOT RUN UP THE DEBT IN GOOD ECONOMIC TIMES...

    I really wonder if we weren't in a borderline recession during much of Bush's term and he just hid it with his spending?

  • Banker
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    I don't see panic but I do see resolute determination on the part of the American People to get this fixed. Honestly, I think people thought Obama was going to do just that; instead we got this crazy social welfare program that we can not afford. Let the Rich pay for it? Well, guess what, the masses are going to pay for it, the VAT Tax is on it's way. Everything you buy is going to carry hidden taxes, all we Commoners will see is higher prices and goods so expensive that the working class will no longer be able to afford new cars, washing machines, etc. imo Democrat and Republican politicians alike should be prepared to clean their dirty laundry, tell the truth, speak straight and not take bribes. November is coming.

  • Shawn
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    Reagan was the anti-Obama in every sense. Obama's ideology is truly communist\marxist (the liberal "utopia" that he strives for) and is intentionally driving this country toward economic annihilation. All in the name of "good intentions" of course. But to directly answer your question yes everyone should panic except the Obamabots who have complete and utter devotion to their "half black messiah". These are the darkest moments in American history and it will only become more oppressing once the bills come due. I truly believe times of evil and chaos will soon be upon us and a line will be drawn in the sand so that all will know which side of the human spirit we all will stand on.

    Source(s): I used to spend ALOT of time researching and then refuting alot of the liberal insanity that goes on here in the yahoo politics section but it got to the point that even though I was utilizing The Heritage Foundation facts and other essays (even finding obscure doctorate analysis from websites and pdf.files that have been neatly tucked away by the mainstream media) I was spending an inordinate amount of time for nothing as they facts and truth were never acknowledged by the liberals I wrote against. So I took a new tactic and asked all liberals to simply live the ideology they kept saying they believed in. They refused to acknowledge they would do so in that context also. So all I had left unfortunately was, as you put it, to use "punditry" to get my point across. I found this tactic much more rewarding for myself and even more irritating to those that practice unrepentent liberalism. However, here is a nice little article I found on the web that hopefully will endear me to your more sophisticated mindset and help you question your own belief system no matter how doubtful that excercise may be. http://patriotpost.us/alexander/2009/02/20/obama-v...
  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    There's no panic if you are a liberal and believes the rich people will pay all the bills.

  • Sadcat
    Lv 4
    1 decade ago

    Anytime now, if you're into that sort of thing.

    But I've seldom found it helpful to panic about anything.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    In 1920 or so would have been a great time.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    When wallmart is selling children

  • 1 decade ago

    9 years ago.

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