Christians: What does your church teach about this?

Hi! I'm a pastor in the Church of the Nazarene. We're technically on b, but we act like a. In other words, we don't believe drinking a bit is a sin, but we advise people to abstain completely. Alcohol just causes too many problems. Might as well stay away from it completely.

Jesus drank wine dear. The sin comes when you drink to get drunk. Paul even said a glass of wine was good for the stomach, probably because the water they used back in they also bathed in, so wine was a good drink as long as it was not used in excess.

Yes there are alcoholics who do not know they are until they take that first drink, so it is kind of a catch 22, these individuals should never take another drink because of the alcohol's control over there life.

the church teaches that it is up to God as to whether the person drinks or not, when I was Mormon, coffee, drugs and alcohol was a no go!

We teach from the bible, it is up to the listeners to obey The Holy Spirit. The evil effects of alcohol are clearly mentioned in Scripture. Like a snake, it is deceptive in its promises and cruel in its treatment. Slowly, it beclouds the mind, dulling the perception and making one incapable of wise judgment and harms our body. Some men of God have erred through drinking alcohol. The consumption of alcohol impairs judgment, inflames passions, and invites violence, and slowly destroys our body. Alcohol should be treated as a drug but is not. Alcohol can be an additive drug that was never intended to flow through our blood. Why would any Christian want alcohol flowing through their veins when God has called our bodies the "temple of God"? Paul summarized the question of total abstinence in 1 Corinthians 6:12 where he said: “All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. In other words, just because it is lawful, doesn't mean it is wise. To take the question a step further, alcohol consumption is not only unwise, it is unnecessary. The stronghold of alcohol is very powerful for which no man or woman is immune to and some people cannot handle any amount of alcohol, and it always starts with one social drink. Many churches and their members like to justify the drinking of wine at communion and in general by saying Jesus drank wine and gave wine to the Apostles at the last supper; but that is just a speculation.

Considering how often the New Testament writers mention the Last Supper, their entire avoidance of the term oinos (Greek for alcoholic wine) in its connection is significant to the two terms used instead are "the cup" and "the fruit of the vine." The consistent avoidance of the term "wine," especially by Paul in his extended description of the Lord’s Supper 1 Corinthians 11:17-34, suggests that they may have wished to distinguish the content of the cup from what was commonly known as fermented wine.

The grape juice represented Christ's Blood and the bread his Body. Just as the bread was "unleavened", leaven representing sin, his blood ought to be considered pure, and free from fermentation, which is death and decay.

The Bible is full of prohibitions about using alcoholic wine. It was forbidden for priests and for those who took the Nazarite vow. It would be inconsistent for the Bible to speak against alcoholic wine and then have Jesus ignore it

I've been taught that sinners are so entrenched in sin, that even when they try to do the right thing, they fail at obtaining morality and righteousness. This goes for those who push a perfectionist doctrine like the one you are communicating there. They are so convinced that they can pick out a particular thing and rely on their own understanding to complete the logic necessary and apply it.

They often go to what Gays such as I refer to as the "whammy verses". 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is an example of those whammy verses.

1 Corinthians 6

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

So relying on the letter of the word without the spirit has led them to the conclusion that we cannot be guilty of anything, including what is listed there. Well, that's a problem for them, because they completely miss what Paul is communicating, particularly the word "unrighteous". Who are the unrighteous? Those who are not covered by Christ. It would take a Spirit led understanding to gather that bit of knowledge, and a rejection of the tradition of perfection to apply it. They typically refuse the truth, and so we have questions like this come up.

My position on this topic does not include any of your choices, as I see that all your choices presume a judgment on what is and isn't sin. To this, I apply Romans 14 in principle; it's a sin if you think it is, but if you don't it's not a sin.

Here is what I'm talking about.

Romans 14

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

The church I grew up in believes alcohol in any amount is sin. I personally believe that as long as it is occasional and you don't get drunk you are fine.

a catalogue of a few Christian Church businesses that coach the Sabbath actuality: * Adventist Church of Promise * branch Davidians * Christian Biblical Church of God * Church of God-21st Century * Church of the large God * advent seventh Day Adventist Church * usual convention of the Church of God (seventh-Day) * dwelling Church of God * Philadelphia Church of God * seventh-day Adventist Church * seventh Day Adventist Reform pass * authentic Jesus Church * United Church of God: a international association * United seventh-Day Brethren -- Wikipedia (augmented) on the grounds that SDA do no longer coach approximately (or shop) ALL of God's Sabbaths, then this is not any longer authentic that they coach the Bible Sabbath greater accurately whilst in comparison with different Christian church homes that DO. .

My church doesn't teach anything

My God teaches.

And there is lies the problem it doesn't matter what people say, it matters what God says

On this subject he says "Do not be drunk with wine, which is excess" what can we glean from that?

Drinking to get drunk is a sin

There is excess, so there must be an allowable limit

Stay away from alcohol and it won't hurt you....

My church teaches what the scriptures teach. Drinking in excess causes one to act foolish so it is best to do in moderation. it is deceitful. Wine at a meal or for medicinal purposes is acceptable. It is better to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

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I'd imagine B.. I dunno.