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? asked in Arts & HumanitiesPhilosophy · 9 years ago

your philosophical thoughts on this , economy and how to boost it?

here is a link, with a story on how some of the biggest (richest) names in the music business have sent a 'plea' to david cameron to crack down on music file sharing

......................to boost the economy

these peopl,e who signed this include

simon cowell

elton john

the who

queen

andrew lloyd webber

now

, when you look at those names,and take into consideration their own life styles and bank accounts, do you think they have a valid point?

do you think (as ido) listen elton honey, give away some of your FABULOUS outfits, and you could feed a few countries for a year,

i think how DARE they

we all know 'illegal' file sharing is NOT the problem

and when you look at who signed this, what do you think is?

and do you think , as i do,they could change and boost the economy by say, giving away some of their own riches, homes, hotels, and live a more 'realistic' lifestyle instead of telling the rest of us how to live and sort out things they cause problems in?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/music-stars-piracy-plea-p...

Update:

i agree with you on that mr walker,its the same here,

they waste it and then claim its 'better' for us , well, i dont know anyone personally who has benefited from all this money in the jubilee or olymics or commonwealth games,

but i know a good few (us included) who have actually been put out because of them

i saw all the left over wasted 'jubilee celebration' food,

they are throwing money into this 'united britain' ideal, which doesnt exist and cant exist, instead of making britian a better place to live and sorting out the REAL problems

i see all the 'methodone clinics' that are now so common hre they are even being put into our supermarkets

yip, its that bad

and dont get me started on the amount of money that is put into the 'no smoking' ideal to help people quit

ALL of that money could make britian better, and our economy stable

throw in a fewof eltons fancy dresses, and some of the money cowel and co all make, i think britian would be

Update 2:

fine

Update 3:

i agree with inheritance tax ONLY on those who actually CAN afford it, ie those who have a steady and regular income WELL over the average

ie the list of names above

normal people with a few things , that they gained via inheritance and arent likely to gain anymore dont deserve for them to be taxed at all

i looked up meritocracy, its a valid idea, but you cant define who will be intelligent and who wont, some people can surprise you,

we need a better education system, that teaches properly, and a better hiring system that hires based on merit, but cant exclude non merit, some people just need experience

the problem is right now they hire only people with credentials and merit, but who dont have the skill or intelligence

and that is a HUGE part of the problem in our economy right now, so many people who are capable of lots of jobs, not being hired because of lack of supposed merit based on 'credentials'

Update 4:

well, think about it this way fur,

when they sell their things, they usually get a lot of money for it,

some of these famous dresses etc can go to auction and be sold for millions, and like the story i just read about michael jacksons thriller jacket, it could be used to be put BACK IN to society rather than being separated from it, you use it and put it into hospitals, into hiring and training new staff, making the wards bigger, or more advanced, and this ALL goes back into the economy

as you know everythings linked, and if it boosts society is probably boosting the economy as well

now if the games were really good for society, it would show after its done, which is unlikely, as it will show in a small area of people and probably the city it happens in

Update 5:

if earnings were limited and shared at a certain point, its a fact the economy would benefit, rather than what happens now, rich people , hoard their money while getting more, and poor have nothing, while they get more taken away from them by the government who insist this is the best way to fix the economy

i dont understand how that is logical, take from the poor to make soceity better , those those people will all be suffering dearly for that, and leave the rich to their millions

seems like common sense to me to put a cap on how much you can have in that circumstance same as you do with benefits

these limits are 'supposed' to make sure the money is still there for everyone else

but we all know its not,

where is it?

well, that list above could probably be a wee hint as to where it is

Update 6:

*would show after its done, and wont be temporary, if we put money into hospitals, its not temporary, you have better health, better treatment, new tech, new staff, and all of that is permanently beneficial for society

where as games, buffing up the economy for a few weeks, in one area, not so much

so fur come on 'come at me bro' :-P

Update 7:

to add, i wanted to say i agree with you (partially) on the military thing, i wouldnt say no military but certainly we need to consider the amount we spend in it and why, when there were stories about soldiers not having proper regulation boots because the army wouldnt pay for other than what they were given,

a bit silly considering they are trying to make sure the country is safe

they shouldnt have had to use their own money to buy boots

where is the money that would buy them boots going?

Update 8:

I agree with that

But they are trying to do it now andthey aren’t doingit without messingup peoples lives,

i don’t think that has to happen, if we put more money and effort into learning about individual people and their needs, rather than the way its trun ‘eveyrones the same ‘ and you have to fight to get treated better

There are people who genunily need it, and people who are abusing it

But if we spendmore time finding out WHO they are and WHY they do what it is, then maybe we cold sort the problem

Yes I agree, I think capitalism has been the worst thing to happen to our society , making business and money the top way to have a society work, when we all know its not working, isn’t a good idea

We need to go back to fair trading with people, bartering, using peoel for THEIR talents, not making them do what WE want, and not relying soley on ‘capital’

Life isn’t about ‘capital’, well, it shouldn’t be

If someone has no ‘capital’ they are worthless to society, that has to stop

Its

Update 9:

*its all linked, but shouldnt be reliant on it

Update 10:

thanks jim :-)

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  • 9 years ago
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    You know in the music industry there are winners, losers and rip offs. Certainly some parts of the industry make far greater profits than others and If the industry is going to look at piracy then will they also ensure that the artists get fair royalties?

    There is one huge alarm bell ringing in my ears. (I'll see the doc next week 'cos it is getting louder) Many moons ago, quite recently in a country crippled by recession (brought on by several factors) , and industry was being throttled and squeezed from all sides, two business men called Thryson and Krupp decided it would be beneficial to support an obscure yet up and coming political party as the way forward for business and the economy. The rest is a horrific chapter in Global history.

    We have a global situation were corporate power is becoming bigger than governments power. Illuminati, bilderberg etc are all just smoke screens and are indeed pulling the strings of many power mad governments.

    Did you know, in the Uk, HMRCS not only failed to collect over due corporate tax from several big multi national firms, but that they 'came to a deal'. The government initiated cost cutting exercises through out the uk that actually cost more to implement than the amount to be saved. In the NHS the structure is top heavy with multi tier executives and process that the service user is being left behind. Schools are being subsidised by big business, and I hear some say what is wrong with that? It means that if they go bust then schools will suffer. These are big business whose profits are stored in the caymen islands. We have seen politicians claim expenses from the tax payer that are criminal, nepotism in the name of perks not to mention nonsensical inquiry after inquiry, at the tax payers cost, only to establish what we all know anyway.

    Without ranting further, there needs to be wholesale change. Those we elect are not acting in our interests and those whose off shore bank accounts we fill are having too much say in how those we vote for should act. (and no I'm not a communist). A country can not go bankrupt that would create a situation where those like thyson and krupp fund extremists and the world goes once again to war. On th face of it, fingers will point to, the banks, the financial institutions, trading markets........These are all smoke screens to allow those who do pull the strings to implement the next stage of their global plan. When a change is made at one point ina plan there will be other parts that suffer due to the change process. These will either die off or through time become part of the new process as some thing else. In Europe, doesn't any one wonder how these leaders have taken so long to agree to so much that has had so little effect on any thing? This is a smoke screen to allow the effect of change to take place. They will come up with a solution soon, as I said these will either die off or through time become part of the new process as some thing else. That's what will happen through time. The Euro situation will become some thing else as the effects of change take hold. Ministers in the EU had a meeting to decide whither Jaffa cakes were indeed cakes or biscuits! would you believe that? And the answer was........ as they are not double baked they can't be biscuits!!!! They did not have to waste money on stuff like that. So, let our elected politicians and the process of government that wastes so much get back to basics and get the economy moving again. Once more the question has to be asked, when did those such as school teachers, nurses, doctors and so on crash the stock market, leave countries bankrupt and strangle their fellow citizen with unworkable policies that do nothing for any one (is that a double negative?)

    The party is over folks, its time to sober up and get a grip. Once again sprry for the rant( maybe I should rule the world............;-/ maybe not)

    Additional

    sorry forgot the jaffa cake link (incase you all think I'm insane)

    When is a cake not a cake? A legal opinion from the European court of justice means that this is now a question worth £3.5m. I'm now off to eat my jaffa biscuit or cake thing.......

  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Technology has changed the way we interact with music, making it easier to share, find and listen to music.

    Now the music industry is having a hissy fit.

    Just like the horse-sellers did when the Model-Ts started rolling off the assembly line.

    For centuries, musicians were not superstars, super-rich or super-annoying. Technology made it possible for them to achieve that. Now technology has taken that away again. But they don't call it progress; they call it 'stealing'. F*** you, record companies.

    >>do you think , as i do,they could change and boost the economy by say, giving away some of their own riches, homes, hotels, and live a more 'realistic' lifestyle

    No, I don't agree with this bit, Frou. Sidestepping the left/right issues, I think statistically it wouldn't make a difference to the economy. Perhaps they could be more supportive of their local communities, though.

    My thoughts on boosting the economy: Smaller government, get rid of the military. Yes, that's right, I'm advocating NO military for the UK, besides special forces.

    >>so fur come on 'come at me bro' :-P

    Hmmm....? You want more ideas? How about scrapping or reforming the dole? I used to think the dole was great, but then when I lived in countries where they don't have it, I realised that it's basically a way for the government to step in where the family traditionally does. My main thing is small government, and government should be directly answerable to the people. As in a randomly selected group of citizens should be allowed to perform a complete audit and have a televised Q&A session in Parliament... I could go on..

    The economy should be decentralised... so that it's not that everything depends on everything else. bring back an element of self-sufficiency.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    100% inheritance tax.

    Search for Meritocracy.

    EDIT:Here's a copy paste:

    The Meritocracy Party

    In 2007 an anonymous group called The Meritocracy Party published its first manifesto, to which they have now added more than two million words on the subject (discussing Hegel, Rousseau, Charles Fourier, Henri de Saint-Simon and various other philosophers, scientists, reformers and revolutionaries). In summary, The Meritocracy Party wants to achieve the following:

    1) A world in which every child gets an equal chance to succeed in life. There should not be elite private schools for the children of the rich, and lower quality public schools for everyone else.

    2) The abolishment of party politics. In fact the Meritocracy Party wants to make even itself obsolete. All members of Parliament should be independents, elected for their specific expertise and merit.

    3) Only those with a relevant education and work experience should be allowed to vote, rather than just anyone who has reached the age of 18 or 21. There should be citizen exams through which everyone can obtain the right to vote on a certain issue. For example, those who wish to vote for the next Minister of Finance should have a certain diploma which shows they have enough understanding of this field to make an educated vote.

    4) The introduction of 100% Inheritance Tax, so that the superrich elite can no longer pass on their wealth to a select few (their privileged children) rather than the Commonwealth. This Inheritance Tax would mean the end of the elite dynasties, and abolish hereditary monarchy.

    5) A radically reformed educational system, based on the MBTI personality types, and insights from radical innovators like Rudolf Steiner and Maria Montessori. Revenue coming in from 100% Inheritance Tax should primarily be invested into the educational system, the bedrock of a true Meritocracy.

    6) To replace free market capitalism with social capitalism, and to replace Democracy with a fully transparent Meritocratic Republic, under a Meritocratic Constitution.

    7) The end of nepotism, cronyism, discrimination, privilege and unequal chances.

    Isn't it a beauty? I see a lot of things that can won't work so well, but it's far more just than the system we have right now. You will be employed only by your merit, not from connects.

    In this today system we never ask for the credentials of the president, it can be the most corrupted job in the country, because it's almost 100% based on knowing the right people

  • 9 years ago

    It wouldn't make a dent in this failing economy because the record industry does not employ the people they did back before digital. So, all the work is in live performance, which is a much better experience and higher rates of monetary flow. A dedicated music spot with perpetual line of bands and performers playing year round in the major cities could help. Start up bands could get a boost up there. vendors, stage hands, transport, gift shops, record shops, cafe's, bistros, ......

  • 9 years ago

    I think A.) that governments need to stop printing more bills than they can back up-inflation in the US has skyrocketed since the 70's. and B.) repeat A...but be prepared to give. Remember when famous people still lived in regular towns and $200,000 was what TOP baseball stars made? That money bought more. Lots more.

    I'd add that we need to open factories and end war and employ people but the rise in worthless currency has whole nations sucking off the teat of their rotten currency. It must be rotting our brains because whole parts of some countries, mine included, have forgotten how to fend for themselues and instead live off the industry of poverty. That's right. Poor people need food, housing, and lots of mental help, and wouldn't you know it? Lots of entrapeneurs ready to get the grants to feed the poor bread, give them buses to travel on, sh@tty housing to liue in, and shrinks to remind them of their dignity. But these 'helpers' dont seem to mind steak, and Hondas, and subdivisions themselves lol. Thank God for shrinks, who remind us we are all equal lol.

    I say we abolish inflation and let the world liue on what we really can afford to buy. It can be done. It has to be done. We have to learn to live frugally on products made as close to home as possible. Its how things we done for thousands of years. Globalization is largely unnatural to most of the world and takes advantage of the poorest. Im an American and yes I know it makes me a hypocrit in ways. Bvt parts of America got used, too. We just can't keep gnawing on dry bones, the world is credit greedy and we just need to relocalize and live frugally everywhere.

    And actually in a way the rock stars have a point. Digtal stealing really does shut down factories. But yes they are also to blame for the greed culture. And yet we made them that way, with our blessings.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Do you think it would benefit mankind if information was accessible and copyable?

    Don't you think music stars can make significant amounts of money without making use and reproduction of work illegal?

    Why is it that we pay singers, and sport team members, massive amounts of money, but farmers and other producers of more essential things in life get short changed?

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    If you donate some of your organs while your still alive you could help the economy by spending the money and allowing other people the chance to eventually go back to work. You only need one kidney.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Miss((froufrou)) there are millions of dollars wasted in government programs every year. That needs to stop. Government needs to stop spending money on space junk. And the list goes on and on. Invest in family friendy companies. Just a thought

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Easy, legalize all recreational drugs and sell them with a tax

  • Jebus
    Lv 4
    9 years ago

    why should they give their stuff away? they earned it and do not owe anything to the rest of the world. just because you are too stupid to make money for yourself doesn't mean strangers are obligated to help you.

    now go save the world, genius economist

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