Why is this Jew so upset?

in response to your question to sand - Zionism is a secular thing and therefore many very religious Jews oppose it. According to Judaism the important thing is not that we have a government - the messiah hasn't come yet so we have no right to religiously claim that the land is ours (politically though it's another story, as Israel was legally given to the Jews to live in and run, but) - the important thing is to have safety and freedom of religion. Most Zionists strongly do not want to let religion be involved in the state of Israel. Zionism has different ideals than Judaism does in general and although they may both look like they head in the same direction they have many very important key differences so there is definitely what to argue on and what the two can be heatedly opposed to each other on.

Jerry: You misunderstand that idea. The Jewish state as it is supposed to be and will be during the times of the messiah will be a wholly religious country - not at all like what Israel is now. If human efforts were building a religious Jewish state the situation may be different, but all Zionism is doing is stating that the Jewish race should have a state to itself. No religion mentioned. And the messiah hasn't come yet to arrange the real Jewish state for us yet. So do we have a religious right to DEMAND to have Israel as our land? Some feel that ultimately we don't. Now like I said earlier, I definitely feel that politically this land is rightfully ours. But if it's taken away? That would be devastating but the bottom line is it's not our land yet. It will be but that's not what Zionism is about anyway.

This view is not just taken up by "a tiny hadnful of right-wing religious Jewish extremists". I consider myself a pretty regular orthodox Jew and I believe this way. It's great that Jews are allowed now in Israel and that we can live there if we want. But am I going to put any energy into fighting about how the secular Israeli government MUST exist because in the Torah it says so? No. This Israel is not the Jewish Israel and it's not what we're supposed to give our lives to fighting for.

EDIT: Thanks Melkha

EDIT2: To clarify, I did not watch the video and am just responding to the asker's question to sand and to what I understood Jerry to be saying. The neturei karta is indeed a rogue group that isn't accepted by Jews as a whole whatsoever.

This may seem a bit odd, but I agree with both Jerry and Rachel. Israel as it now exist isn't the biblical Israel that we should be longing for and perhaps that Israel will not exist until Messiah comes. Does that somehow mean that the current State of Israel should not exist? No, that would be a silly conclusion. Not only was this land given to the Jewish people by G-d, it was also set aside as a "national homeland for the Jewish people" by the Balfour declaration/ British Mandate. Would there be peace if Israel did not exist? No. Would those who hate Israel like it any better if it was a religious state? No.

Just as in Ezra's day, there are those who are longing to see Jerusalem brought back to its former glory. There is research being done and there are furnishings being made for a future Temple. Perhaps we will see it in our lifetime.

@Sand gives an idea of how right Jerry is & how irrational the attacks on israel can be. For instance, Israel put on curfews during the 5 year intifada terrorism war on Israel civilians by PA Arabs. They lift the curfew, attacks would virally increase. They'd put the curfew back on, attacks would subside. This went on over & over, lifting every chance they could.

To asker - this guy is a member of an extreme ultra religious group that's considered nuts by most Jews. They belief that Israel shouldn't have formed until the messiah came & therefore they should lie & do all harm they can to Israel. To the point they take photo ops with Ahmendinajah while he was denying the Holocaust, inspite of having lost family in it themselves. They're called neturei karta. And represent a couple thousand out of the 14 million Jews in the world. Many are from NYC (not Israel), notice his NY accent & perfect English. They dance in the streets in support of Hamas terrorism. (I've seen that in person.)

There is a frustration among more observant Israelis that they'd like the country to be less secular. However, very few think people like these groups are sane. They take their views to the extreme of outright lies about Israel. And their views aren't "make Israel more religious". Their few is like a fundamentalist, that Israel needs to be dismantled to please Gd. It's not what they'll say in a video -- but it is what they say in other settings & is their motivation.

No Israel doesn't foster hatred & unrest. Hatred & unrest fosters attacks on Israel, & Israeli response to it. Is Israel always perfect - of course not, it's a country & politics is never perfect. However, 90% of the criticisms are based on false info -- or on shifting the timeline. Like claiming settlements are causing the problems...

When the settlements are on 2% of the land in question, & most are suburbs of Jerusalem. Many Israelis would happily give most of them up for peace... but they pulled up ALL the settlements in Gaza., and got rockets in return. (The blockage was started AFTER the rockets in RESPONSE TO containing the rockets. It does not cause the rockets.)

and when the reason Israel got the West bank was because of unrest & hatred at Israel by Arabs who started the '67 war. There was not "occupation" by Israel, yet that were already attacking. Some Arabs were attacking Jews regionally before there was an Israel, which is why Britain then the UN decided that 10% of the mandate would go for a democracy in a Jewish majority area... with the 90% rest going to Jordan & 2nd Arab country. Cause they saw Jews couldn't safely live under Arab domination rule.

As it is, something like 80% of Israelis are from Jews kicked out of Muslim & Arab countries & absorbed by Israel.

So there are all sorts of views in Israel on how to solve things... but someone spewing about it this way... has no relationship to the real solutions & real actions that can make a difference towards peace. He's just giving the Hamas/PLO party line rhetoric. Even local PA Arabs know better than this rhetoric. As everyone private there says on both sides, if everyone would leave them alone, they'd find a solution.

@Rachel

This guy isn't sharing your views. This is one of those extremist groups that's really a wacko job. Check them out.

They don't share the view (which most Israelis & Jews share) that it's a secular state & doesn't have the rights to be ours from Gd that would come with the messiah (and in Judaism happens PEACEFULLY), but instead the rights to it are REAL WORLD & politically based.

They dismiss all that real world valid reasons, because they think the only state possible is the messanic one & this obviously isn't that state because it's secular. ... then they get extremist about those views. Dancing in the streets with Hamas supporters -- literally feet from me -- with signs saying Israel should go. They get attention - only because media finds them a "controversy." Otherwise, not one takes them any more seriously than Branch Dividains.

http://www.adl.org/extremism/karta/

Citizen of Reality seems to have a brand new troll account.

Answer: There is absolutely no validity in the idea that the Jewish State fosters hatred and unrest.

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a tiny hadnful of right-wing religious Jewish extremists believe that Israel should not exist. He is one of them. Their argument is basically that God will restore Israel on His own and efforts by humans to do so are somehow against the will of God - especially when the government is not run by religious extremists like this guy.

The reason his argument is hard to follow is because right-wing religius extremists are pretty wacko.

That nut job is part of Neturei Karta. I cannot remember his name right now but many believe he is mentally ill. They are seen as pretty much freaky nutters by most right wing Jews

I think his name is Yisroel Dovid Weiss and he is really mentally unstable.

He is saying there are nothing wrong with Muslims and it is easy living side by side with a Muslim Arab but the problem is zionists. They control the government and they do not like that.

Ignore Jerry, there are some Jews who are living today and understand how horrible the holocaust is, there are even Jews who know how it must of felt being slaved in Egypt thousands of years ago, working long hours, no pay and dieing in the heat of the sun.

These zionists controlling Israel set up curfews against the palestinans, do raids in which a innocent husband and father is taken away never to be seen by his family and innocent children who are left out on the streets. There are Jews who know what they and there ancestors went through and do not want others to go through the same too. I think this is one of these people who are simply saying, we can co-exist peacefully.

Rachel has given the best explanation, I could not do better

he is too greedy

and wants to be poor

He lost his jewgold so he went crazy.