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After reading the comments about the gay man who is being forced to pay child support for the two children he?
donated to father, I cannot help but wonder if people would be so cruel if he had done the same for a heterosexual married couple?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224536/Ga...
Regardless of my feelings about same sex couples having children , I cannot condone his being pilloried for trying to do something good.
The 'husband' in the lesbian couple's marriage should be made to pay not him.
Agreed?
16 Answers
- 9 years agoFavorite Answer
Yes, in theory, the absent lesbian partner should pay, but the point is that she does not have rights, or financial responsibilities towards the children which can legally be enforced by the CSA because the women were not in a civil partnership.
If they had been in a civil partnership, which was not possible anyway when the children were born because they were only introduced in 2005, the CSA would have chased her up, not the sperm donor.
Also, it would have been almost impossible for the lesbian woman to have used an official sperm bank at that time because a male partner was still required then, so yes the man was doing a good turn.
I don't know if there was anything legally he could have done differently at the time, the lesbian couple would not have been able to have equal parenting rights then, but what is happening in this this case seems to be that a sperm donor would not be liable in the same situation now because the law has changed, so Mark Langridge is asking for the law to be applied retrospectively, a point that doesn't come out in the Mail report, the Guardian one does him more justice.
There was an almost similar case in 2007 with a man called Andy Bathie which got a lot of media coverage, he got as far as a review by the CSA, but there seems to be nothing online about what the outcome was.
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- 5 years ago
Well adoption is very unfair to females. If a girl is pregnant and is aware of she cannot help the youngster she can opt for to location the youngster for adoption. This requires the delivery father signing off his rights. If he will not? She can't go via with the adoption. Most would feel this implies the daddy is forced to take over major placement of the baby and take care of the baby--- however it does not! He can decline to signal off on his rights and that woman is then forced into parenthood and all that is then required from the man is that he pays his legally required child help but he not ever even has to see that youngster! So that's compelled parenthood on the other side--- AND? As we all know most youngster help is lower than ample to quilt all the youngster's wishes so then the mother is compelled to care for the little one and support the little one financially. "forcing abortion" on females if there's a loop gap for a person to get out of little one help and he or she knows she can't do it with out little one support is unconstitutional and forcing clinical tactics on women is towards every legislation known to man. It is usually a screwing to the tax payer. When guys don't pay up for children they helped create it just creates a tax burden on the tax payer to help aid those females and kids.
- Ern TLv 69 years ago
I understand your take on this but looked at from another angle there's other takes too. Saying I'll give you children but don't want any responsibility isn't a thought out action, it could easily be construed as selfish, or abetting a selfish desire by the mother without adequate consideration. Things go wrong in life, things happen, you can't just deny one's responsibilities if they do when and if it suits. It boils down to a bad decision he made, we all make them and are bound by them, how can one's own bad decisions be expected to be paid for by others? No one would learn anything in that case. We reap the outcome of every decision we make, or somebody else does. To give a child to people he meets in a club and do it twice shows little wisdom, then to refuse any responsibility seems unwise and indefensible. Agreed the 'father' and everyone in this scenario should pay
- Anonymous9 years ago
I wonder how they can prove he ever did give the sperm? perhaps they have DNA tests or something?
otherwise he should deny knowing anything about them,although I suppose its a bit late now his story is all over the papers.
He should have had some sort of agreement drawn up with a disclaimer for any responsibility.
It does seem a bit dubious same sex parents,especially same sex men,unless you have the money of people like Elton John and his partner have and can afford full time nannys,nurses,etc.
Two men wanting a baby seems to be along the the "kitten for Christmas" syndrome ?
- Anonymous9 years ago
Poor kids. An absent homosexual father and a lesbian mother who no doubt will introduce `aunties' throughout their lives. This man is a book keeper and if he cannot afford £27 a week then tough. Some men have had to find £150 a week leaving them with little money to live on. Some have actually committed suicide because they had no money to live on. This man is lucky he has not been ordered to pay more and should have thought of this before he played daddy with a turkey baster
- ?Lv 79 years ago
Here is your answer, copied from the article you link to:
"The CSA said that if Mr Langridge had used an official sperm donation centre he would not have to pay child support – but informal arrangements are not covered by the law."
He chose not to use the official provision, he chose not to have anything documented legally. Therefore he has left himself open to this sort of thing. Of course the mother is behaving terribly towards him - but unfortunately under the law he is the father.
- Tequila....Lv 79 years ago
Yes he should....but so should millions of absentee fathers who do not.
If all men were forced to pay for their children they would produce far fewer.
Did this arrangement with the mothers expect the tax payers to support the child and mothers?
- Anonymous9 years ago
I think it's awful that he's been caught out like this. Typical of a society that 'punishes' people for doing good.
But alas the law is very clear, had he donated sperm anonymously he wouldn't have been accountable for any children but because he was known to the couple & probably named, the authorities have him over a barrel.
I agree it's somewhat twisted to do this to him.
Twisted & ungrateful of the system.
- Anonymous9 years ago
Men should pay for their own children , yes he did something good now he can do another good thing and pay for their living expenses
thats not cruel thats right