Why do people act like Right-To-Work laws is 'union-busting'?

Max, you know the answer as well as I do, you just don't seem willing to admit it.

Right-to-work laws allow workers to make a decision as to whether to join a union or not. But the union doesn't negotiate settlements with business owners just for those who are in the union, it negotiates settlements for all workers in that part of the company. That requires two things. One, it requires money, mainly for the purpose of ensuring that if workers go on strike, that it can actually keep them afloat during the strike. It looses that capacity if it's not getting membership fees from all of the workers. Two, and I want to make this absolutely clear, it requires that everyone's actually behind the union. A union can't negotiate effectively if it doesn't have everyone behind it when it goes to the table. It can't back up any threats of a strike, nor can it create any sort of united front on what the workers actually want. That's completely lost in this case.

But you said in one of your comments that if the union fails, they can just re-unionize. I'll address that too. First, re-unionizing takes time and effort. During that time, there are struggles to find leadership, organize, and recruit, and during that time, workers have no power. Second, re-unionizing creates a brand new organization, which has to set up a brand new relationship with the company and its owners, which will also leave workers vulnerable for a while. Third, re-unionizing doesn't suddenly erase all past problems. The new union is just as vulnerable to falling apart, will have just as difficult a time acquiring money and support, and will have to function from a position of instability. At best, it will take quite a while to stabilize. At worst, the instability will cause a continual cycle of collapse and rebuild that will permanently weaken the labor force.

The unions always have to listen to the workers or the workers can change union representation.

Unions got better working conditions,wages and vactions and holidays off (in most cases).

Employers want to do away with unions,then they can concentrate on getting the labor laws changed in their favor.

With the demise of unions,workers will end up going back to long work hours,low pay,company stores,little to no vacation or holidays off,etc.

The only reason you have a job with benefits is because your employer does not want a union in his company,so they give you the benefits so you will not want to join a union.

In right to work states,you do not have to join the union,but the union does not have to represent you either.

If you use the help of the union to keep your job,you have to pay them for their time and service at your expense ( U.S. Supreme Court ruling back in the late 70's).

Also,some employers operate split shops so the non union employees are worked under different rules and wages.

You aren't being abused because of the labor laws the unions got passed,but some employers do abuse their employees dispite the laws.

those union thugs will do something. They brought about hundreds of thousands of greenbacks properly worth of harm to the State Capital and left it for the tax payers to pay. They spent $40 million attempting to get the Republicans defeated in the remember elections at the same time as there 401-k plan is in the crimson. submit to in innovations what the union thugs did on the city hall conferences a pair years in the past while they beat a black guy who grew to become into handing out "do no longer Tread On Me" flags, they prevented human beings from getting into the townhall assembly even putting some prople in choke holds. So, they're going to surely do something and this does not marvel me. they could be arrested.

Sorry, but you misunderstand what right to work laws mean.

Since 1985 (Pattern Makers v. NLRB, 473 U.S. 95), unions CANNOT lawfully require full union membership. The most that nonmembers can be required to pay is an agency fee that equals their share of what the union can prove is its costs of collective bargaining, contract administration.

So these new laws are just ways to, yes, bust the unions, by making them provide the benefits of union membership without having to pay for it.

What's all that stuff we heard about freeloaders? And I guess unions are evil and bad unless you're getting all the salary and benefits of union membership without paying for it.

Because they are most likely involved in a union and feel threatened by the RIGHT TO WORK LAWS. This country is supposed to be about FREEDOM TO CHOOSE unless it goes against the liberal grain of course!

Because it IS. If workers like what the union does for them SOME of them will pay dues but plenty of freeloaders will take advantage of the benefits the union provides and they won't pay. These are the same type of people who won't buy health insurance and let those of us who do pay the tab. There is nothing "pro-worker" in right-to-work states.

"Right now the union doesn't need to listen to the workers, because the worker has to pay dues regardless."

Funny, my in my union (AFSCME) ALL decisions are voted on, including monies spent and donations given. All contracts and aspects of contracts...etc.

If your union doesn't listen to you (I'm thinking SEIU here), then perhaps you should be in a better union.

Ah, but we come to the problem. You claim that there was an issue that needed fixing. But in reality? There was never such an issue. Had it existed I'd agree with you. But like the cries that social security or medicare is going to go bankrupt... it simply is not the case.

So please, im not going to convince you I know. But I really, really want you to think about what I'm going to ask you. Change your mind, or don't. Its fine. But think about it.

What might a reason be for such a law...If what I say is true? http://www.numbernomics.com/nomicsnotes/wp-content...

it also games the union certification process in favor of those in opposition. it further allows employers to incentivize workers to not join the union so as to bust it via turnover.

When you grow up and go to school, you will learn about things such as free riders.

With right-to-work laws, people get all the benefits of unions without having to personally pay.