Why do PETA & many Vegans claim that eating meat and zoos are morally wrong?

1. I don't believe even you can say every animal in a zoo is happy and better off than in the wild. I'd much prefer conservation efforts focused on conserving the species in the wild. All the money involved in building and maintaining zoos could achieve a lot on that front, and sadly few of the profits make their way towards conserving the animals' natural habitat. Like it or not, zoos do engage in some dodgy practises such as breeding white tigers, breeding ligers/tions, allowing animals to breed and killing the offspring to allow the mother the experience of motherhood - over, and over again.

Like it or not, when it comes to animals (and ourselves, for a lot of things) we're just not as smart as Mother Nature. We don't know it all. I'd rather my children learn about wildlife from nature documentaries than a zoo where they can see their natural behaviour and appreciate animals for who they are. And to this day, animals are removed from the wild to be held in captivity. Not all were captive bred.

2. What's ethical about the meat industry? What's ethical about breeding animals simply for meat when you claim we're omnivores which means meat isn't required? The meat industry is by far the biggest consumer of plant foods (and in feedlots fish) which could feed people, responsible for 51% of the global warming affect, and 18% of greenhouse gas emissions, takes 41 times the kilojoules to produce that plant food does, and involves the deaths of animals, and the dairy and egg industry involve the torture of animals on mass scales, and for all that the chooks, cows, goats and sheep (and most probably buffalo) tend to end up as meat, as well as having the males slaughtered at incredibly young ages due to being unnecessary.

From a biological standpoint, it's insane that educated people regard humans as omnivorous. Indeed, our culture is one of eating meat, but are our bodies equipped for it? No. Hence the prevalence of chronic illness giving rise for more and more animals being used for animal testing to combat these diseases when alternative lifestyle interventions involving putting people on vegan diets are proving highly effective! We don't have any adaptations or traits synonymous with eating meat or eggs or dairy which omnivores have, be it our intestinal tract, stomach and bile acidity, liver and urea, synthesis of vitamins and proteins and what's needed from diet and what our body produces, the gestation period and size of our newborns - the list goes on.

You claim our brain size is the result of eating meat. How? The latest in human evolution shows that despite all the meat we've been consuming and gluttoning ourselves on over the last 200 years our brains are shrinking. They don't know the effects of this, but it's happening. Our brain is fuelled by glucose, the nerves require omega 3 oils for insulation, vitamins essential for eyesight and brain development are found in fruits and vegetables, and the essential proteins are all found in plants - while animal product proteins tend to harm our bodies.

From a health standpoint, eating meat certainly IS wrong. And this stems from the fact that meat is not the right food for us biologically. Just because other people do it and have done it in the past doesn't make it right. And on that note, the amount of meat consumed has generally been FAR overstated.

In a nutshell the world revolves by one principle: eat or be eaten.

But, we humans don't have to resort to being heartless savages, despite that so many people do indeed eat the full spectrum omnivore diet.

I'm pretty sure that many animals would LIKE to be in a zoo these days. Maybe not the way they were a hundred years ago, no. It's like living at a resort.

Hmmm, humans and their big brains? Hmmmm... Humans are just as stupid as everything else. Nothing special, lol. A tiny 1% of humans are genius about inventing technologies that make a huge life quality impact for the rest of the species. Let the vegans be. I think they're outnumbered by the rest.

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No, because as in all groups people are different. There is nothing *all* veg*ns do except that none of us eat meat and us vegans don't eat dairy or eggs either. Some won't care one bit what you eat, others will care but won't bug you about it, a few will try to tell you it's wrong/immoral/unhealthy those are often people who if they weren't veg*ns they would preach to you about something else. I don't really care what others eat, sure I would love it if everyone became a vegan, but it would have to be because people decided that they wanted to, not just because I think it would be a splendid idea.

What's your actual question or did you come here just to complain and argue?

Why they believe eating meat is morally wrong:

They love animals, don't want to eat them because there's other options. They feel it's against their morals, and so feel its morally wrong. Maybe they're right? I mean, 50 years ago people said it was morally wrong to be gay, but we've changed our views. (I'm Vegetarian, when I say I am, people immediately try and justify themselves on why they eat meat. I feel if you think you need to justify something you call natural, there's some secret guilt or whatnot deep down. I don't explain why I am unless people ask after all.)

They also feel that animals belong in their natural habitat and not in zoos and captivity. I can see their point, but I also don't have much of a problem with zoos, after all, they're not hurting the animals, they're recreating their habitat elsewhere and sometimes, even protecting the animals. Circuses though, tend to be a little more questionable so I can understand them better there.

I understand all their views and agree with a lot, but also can tolerate some things.

I do not feel that Zoos are morally wrong. Every soon I have been at takes really good care of their animals. The animals they have were born in captivity or rescued.

However I do feel that eating meat is wrong. If we can survive and THRIVE on nothing but plant food WHY is it necessary to kill animals that feel pain if they provide nothing for us? To inflict pain on something for NO purpose is wrong. And sure, the ability to eat meat sure came in handy from a survival standpoint, but that doesn't necessarily make us omnivores. A cat eating broccoli doesn't make them omnivores. Also, if eating meat was the sole reason for us to "grow larger brains" then why aren't all TRUE omnivores at the top of the food chain and building cities of their own?

2.) You really NEED to watch the Earthlings documentary before you say anything about this because your view is too simple, grade school science, making you sound like a caveman. It's more about the cruelty of the meat industry. These animals are much luckier if they were born in the wild and are hunted by animal instead of being produced in an animal farm by humans these days. They are treated as just pieces meat without feelings since the day they were born, confined to a small dirty place, tortured, their body parts cut off alive with no anaesthesia. Animals hunted in the wild by other animals and bushmen have better lives than those born in farm bred for food and other animal products. You cannot compare how animals hunt to the way humans produce their meat now. Predator animals, bushmen do not torture and do not hunt for more than they need unlike how meat is produced now.These animals are mass produced like objects without any feelings at all. If it were cavemen or animals hunting them they would not suffer as much as they now in these animal farms but we do not get our meat like cavemen anymore.

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Save yourself from sounding like a caveman.

1. I know exactly where you're coming from on this one. But you have to realize there are TWO main types of zoos; entertainment and education. the entertainment ones are totally in it for the money and "show off" the animals in settings that HIGHLY increases the stress of the animals. They also get their animals from anywhere they can. (such as breeders who also sell to labs for animal testing. I didn't know this until recently.) the ones dedicated to educating the public about wildlife/conservation/etc try to make the zoo as close to their natural habitat as possible and wouldn't keep an animal who COULD be released and survive in the wild (for example, a zoo I've volunteered at ONLY gets their animals by rescuing them. One of the polar bears, for example, was in a circus and was fed lettuce and was kept in hot weather all day. He could never survive in the wild, and they treat him nicely and got him back to health. If he doesn't want to go where people visiting the zoo can see him, he doesn't have to.)

2. Humans don't NEED meat to survive. Humans ate meat awhile ago because they didn't have the resources for plants in certain areas/periods of time. MURDERING an innocent life who just wants to LIVE is morally wrong. And, as you said, the human body has completely changed (some anthropologists even argue that we're a different species than our ancestors) and the changes our bodies evolved into are made JUST LIKE HERBIVORES. We have evolved out of being omnivores. That's also why vegans are healthier than meat eaters, and why meat causes so many diseases.

Murder is wrong, no matter what species it effects. If we don't NEED it to survive? it's murder.

Because PETA and other groups are animal RIGHTS, and animal rights are completely different from animal welfare.

Animal RIGHTS wants to end all human "exploitation" of animals -

this includes, but is not limited to, eating meat, hunting,

using animals for any

research, all zoos, circuses, rodeos, horseshows,

dog shows, animals performing in TV

commercials, shows or movies,

guide-dogs for the blind, police dogs, search

& rescue dogs, and pets.

Animal WELFARE wants to prevent suffering and cruelty to animals. And to

provide care and good homes for pets in need. This

often includes, but is not limited to, the funding and

running of animal shelters, enforcement of

anti-cruelty statutes,initiating, lobbying for, and monitoring enforcement of

legislation to ensure more humane standards of

care for livestock, laboratory animals, performing animals, and pets.

If you were wondering, the Humane Society of the US and the ASPCA (which is NOT the same as the SPCA) are animal RIGHTS. Need proof?

http://forums.warriorcats.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&f=6...

VIDEOS:

Humane society of the US: http://youtu.be/co6Sp4xhseU

ASPCA: http://youtu.be/0Lq_liWU3eo

That relay depends on what zoo they are talking about,but PETA bashes all zoos.They claim that zoos are wrong because some zoos sterilize animals or forcibly take them out of they're habitat and force them away from they're biological parents so they think its wrong(and so do I). PETA usually atomically assumes all zoos do that.

I don’t hold animals superior or even equal to humans. The whole case for behaving decently to animals rests on the fact that we are the superior species. We are the species uniquely capable of imagination, rationality, and moral choice – and that is precisely why we are under an obligation to recognize and respect the rights of animals.

A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral.