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Is there any sort of hard evidence that God exists?

I have always been a very determined atheist, but a sad love story has me considering alternatives. There is this girl that I dated for several months and she is the best person I could possibly imagine myself being with for several reasons. We only have one disagreement, she is a very devout and traditional Catholic, and I think it is all very foolish and medieval really. We didn't harshly disagree and even got along perfectly while debating the subject, just our end game goals are different in regards to children. We wound up splitting up but are still very good friends as we have perfect chemistry.

Basically, I am exploring the possibility of a deity or deities existing and am looking for a persuasive argument with real facts. Please, no bible thumpers praising Jesus, just open-minded individuals :)

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I have what is considered an extremely logic driven mindset. I'm not saying everything I do is logical and I analyze everything, just that what I believe to be true needs evidence not faith. Not that I need to understand the inner workings of a microwave before I believe it will heat my sweet and delicious life nectar, but let's not split hairs here. I don't even believe the big bang theory as it is just a theory for one, and despite the evidence, (solar systems and galaxies supposedly spreading apart and our modern understanding of physics) it just seems improbable.

About the girl, We are still great friends, I just want to be able to see her point of view but all of the sources and arguments she provide I have alternate answers that i firmly believe to be true. I want her but God is what separates us. She was willing to bend her rules for me several times so I'm going to try reinterpreting my better judgement.

Update:

@Ella Wong My argument towards you saying there has to be a beginning seems not true and is the basis of any creationists argument. I think that we don't know that there even was a beginning at all. Is it so hard to comprehend infinity? What if the universe has always been?

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@Navin R Johnson You are right about what you say but i fear you have misunderstood me. i probably should have worded it differently but what I meant was, I don't want the stereotypical bible quoters that pray that I will be saved on the forum. This helps nobody and is annoying to say the least. I do try to be open minded, but coming from a family of 'bible thumpers,' I am severely biased. My apologies.

@Sarah I loved the story and actually appreciated the logic behind both the teacher and the student but I feel like I see evolution daily so the entire premise of the debate in favor of faith has lost it's handle. Great otherwise!

reading and working on others. Special attention to DS M right now

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@Dominado I can't take you seriously. Of course an intelligent mind created the computer but it sure wasn't God. Over several decades, human beings tested, toyed with, and experimented with vacuum tubes and electronics in ways nobody had before. Systems such as binary code and script language were developed and enhanced over time to evolve (with special emphasis on that word) into what we have today.

@Jason Well put. It seems to me that religion blossomed from the unexplainable needing explanations. What's wrong with not knowing how something is or came to be without the idea of an invisible, ineffable force.

@DS M I feel like I was exactly how you described and you're right, it is illogical to believe my explanation is more accurate than yours without any sort of empirical evidence going either way. I do stand firmly as an Atheist I am introspectively reassessing. I am still not swayed towards any religion ( although I do appreciate Buddhism in its beliefs). I am try

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@ChildOfARisenKing I'm glad you found a brighter path, but you have literally brought nothing to the table. The idea of God did make your life better, that's indisputable, but everything was a conscious decision you made out of what seems to be a fear of going to hell and to fill an empty heart. I'm glad you are better off, but Thank you anyway.

@Victoria Please don't be bashful and speak your mind. That is the whole point of what i am trying to accomplish and you seem the best candidate yet as you are of faith, yet think scientifically like I. I did state that i don't believe in the big bang but your argument has been addressed. Part of the theory is the process repeats itself. Big bang - universe expands - universe contracts - Massive pit of substance - Big Bang etc. True, there are several missing links in species but for a species that has such a long life cycle, evolution takes time. Not every sub-species is capable of surviving due to a bad circumstance or ba

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@Ella Wong AGAIN :P sorry, just had a thought. If to rise from nothing their needs to be a creator, then who created Him? to reiterate a previous point in a slightly demeaning (but all in good fun) manner, He couldn't have possibly existed forever!

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  • ?
    Lv 6
    8 years ago
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    Existence of God is not a matter of speculation, analysis by human beings! All human beings world over had a limited intellect that could never comprehend what God Almighty was all about.

    Going to churches, temples or mosques does not mean one was a firm believer of God. In my life, I wanted to go in search of God yet; I refrained from going to temples, churches and mosques. I never wanted to indulge in rituals that carried no meaning.

    25 years of yoga meditation... I finally landed in laps of God Almighty when I realized God in the wee hours of third of August 1993 at 37 years of age.

    If we exist, God Almighty also exists. As per Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism... it is explosion of big bang that created the present cosmos. And what caused explosion of big bang! As per Bhagavad Gita it is Brahman (God Almighty in all its glory) that exploded self to form present cosmos. God Almighty was never the form of human beings.

    God Almighty... the cluster of all pure souls’ atmans in cosmos at a given moment of time is the controller of all things cosmic! Our relationships on mother earth had nothing to do with existence of God Almighty. One could be a believer of God but not the Bible. One could be a believer of God... but not rituals of Hinduism! God is what Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism says it is.

    Believing in God is believing in humanity, entire mankind! Only when we served mankind... did we truly serve God Almighty! More here- http://www.godrealized.com/god.html

  • 8 years ago

    I am glad to here that you take a more scientific standpoint. Nearly all of God's creations can be looked at and proven by a scientific standpoint. Personally, I choose not to discuss this too often as it does tend to get on people's nerves, just as you said, and they never take any fact I say seriously and it only makes the situation worse. You cannot ignore the fact that faith is the biggest element, but if you really need "proof," there are a few things you could consider. First of all, the universe is constantly expanding due to the driving force left over by the big bang. But something that isn't touched on too much is the driving force to the big bang itself. What caused it? What set it up in the first place? Order cannot come from chaos without someone or something to organize it. There is also the evolution theory. When the idea was first brought up, paleontologists initially thought the idea was ludicrous. That is because, even up to this day, there are not enough "missing links" between species to support it 100%. Even the monkey to man is just a theory. And if you line up all the different species in each consecutive era, it follows the order of creation. I could go on, but I clearly can see that you may not be the person to find me realistic and you may even think I'm absolutely ridiculous. I can't say for sure, because I don't know you, but if you do you wouldn't be the first. I never start up these conversations, but I can't get a word in without being scoffed at. That's life I guess. If you further want to look at this, I recommend a movie. The story is fictional, but the facts are not. I think you would enjoy it very much and would give you an opportunity to watch a large portion of the bible explained from a science standpoint. It is called "The Genesis Code." The side story is a little cheesy, but sweet. So if you can get past that, you will enjoy it.

    Good luck! Hope you find what you need!

  • 8 years ago

    Here's a proof about the nonexistence of Yahweh, in three paragraphs (although just the first three sentences are sufficient). I expect that god-believers will not like this, and in order to prevent cognitive dissonance they will deny it.

    There's no reliable evidence for God/Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Zeus, Baal, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, Vishnu, Thor, Shiva, or any of the thousands of other gods that people have worshiped. If any existed there would be reliable evidence. Since no such evidence exists, these gods do not exist. There's also extensive evidence that they are all just myths, created to help soothe our fear of death, and perpetuated through religion to subjugate the underclass into obedience.

    Science has shown that there's no need for gods to explain the traditional reasons for a god -- origin of the universe, origin of life, origin of species, origin of humans, origin of morality. Science also shows us the psychological reasons that people believe in god(s). See the 1st link for the video, "Andy Thomson: Why We Believe in Gods" or buy his book at the 2nd link. And, check out Michael Shermer's "The Believing Brain" at the third link.

    Yahweh is typically defined as omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and having free will. Such a god is internally and externally incongruent, and thus cannot logically exist. An omnipotent and omniscient god with free will can't exist, because it could not both know the future and change it. An omnipotent and omnibenevolent god can't exist and allow the true horrors that occur to sentient beings.

    All reliable evidence points to Jesus Christ being just a myth. There is no reliable evidence that Jesus even existed, and significant evidence that he didn't. The evidence is in the Bible, the other religions of the time, and the lack of writings about Jesus by historians of the time.

    The story of Jesus can be shown to be just a myth created to fulfill prophesy, cobbled together out of stories from the Old Testament and previous gods and myths -- created in the 40's and 50's by Paul of Tarsus (who exhibited symptoms of epilepsy and had delusions of Christ talking to him), the other apostles, the unknown authors of the gospels in the 70's or later, and many other people. The reliable evidence for this is overwhelming.

    For the evidence, see the 2nd group of links. There are also several good books on this, including:

    "Nailed: Ten Christian Myths that Show Jesus Never Existed At All"

    by David Fitzgerald

    "The Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty

    "Not the Impossible Faith" by Richard Carrier

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  • 6 years ago

    If you want evidence and logical points, I think one of the reasons religion still stands is because of how "perfect things are". I know people are dying and there's diseases and natural disasters, etc... but the mathematics of how "perfectly" aligned everything is. From how we're at the perfect spot in the solar system, to how we have water to survive and air, and from things like the moon in its perfect position... even down to the quantum scale. It's so perfectly mathematically designed and I think that's where people think something (god) created it.

    Also, you should change your opinions on theories. Just because it's not proven 100% correct that the universe began with a "big bang" doesn't mean it's not theoretically correct.. there's plenty of evidence that the big bang occurred. Such as red shifts, expanding universe, singularities, etc.. Anyway, If you look up the 'fibonacci' spiral and the golden ratio (1.618), then you can truly get an idea of how exact things are in life.

  • Lynn
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    I was a passionate believer for many many years. And I basically studied my way right out of believing. The Bible wasn't put together when and how believers say it was. Period. After that, the whole thing completely collapses.

    Let's say for a moment you could stretch around being an agnostic. You 2 still aren't on the same page for what seems to be an important subject to you both. If you pursue this, one or both of you will end up angry, resentful and scarred from the heartache.

    Call this the one who got away and move on.

    Source(s): atheist
  • 8 years ago

    There doesn't seem to be any hard tangible evidence to prove the existence of a deity as us humans propose with human characteristics and all.

    There is however the possibility of accepting the existence of a unknown force or power that may have something to do with the emergence of our universe, us and the laws that govern everything.

    Simply put the unexplainable.

  • 8 years ago

    Proof. No. There isn't any. Theres just no reason not to believe there might be. Jesus, was real. Cold hard fact. What he preach why know he preached. What he did. No proof. But, if you believe, that there is a possibility of there being this higher being above everyone. The curing someones eyes. Turning blood into water. Then that is total possible.

  • Bruce
    Lv 6
    8 years ago

    The belief in a magical parent relieves fear of illness and death. There is not the slightest evidence that some sort of entity or personality which could pass for a god exists. As Bertrand Russell noted, the answer god made us simply begs the question who made god and tells us nothing.

  • DS M
    Lv 6
    8 years ago

    You are.

    As an atheist, you give less thought to what is an atheist than Christian's do trying to understand Christianity.

    Being an atheist who believe you were made without one intelligent thought, I can understand how you would only be able to see things from your perspective where God is not a possibility. By believing humanity evolved from a rock, we know that we can't be made with a reason to live as reason has never been a part of the evolutionary process.

    Likewise, the definition of "right" and "wrong" is determined at creation where "right" is doing what you were made to do and "wrong" is everything else. Being amoral, you understand you can't be wrong or right because they or merely opinions...which makes pollsters money from those who want to determine which way the wind is blowing.

    After all, when all paths lead to the same conclusion and

    everything humanity does will be erased when the sun becomes a red giant,

    it is illogical for the atheist to declare their beliefs better

    or right

    or someone else's belief wrong.

    They can only say we are equal which kills them because down deep they really want to be right no matter how illogical that position is for atheists. But to a Believer,

    Hope this helps

    Suomy Nona, You missed my point.

    1. Atheism does not have the ability to be moral because of what Atheists believe...not because of what theists believe.

    2. Atheists can't honestly say Atheism is better than the theist's position because of what Atheists believe...not because of what Theists believe.

    3. Because you are unable to prove your position, you are a believer of Atheism and are just as religious with your " introspective reassessing" as every other religious person.

    As you demand Theists to recognize this concept, Atheists should not demand from others what they are unwilling to do themselves.

    Atheists need a better grip on what they believe instead of simply attacking that which they don't believe. Have you ever noticed people don't become Atheists because what Atheism believes and stands for? How wrong is that!...and atheists don't believe something can be wrong because all paths lead to the same conclusion.

    Edit

    Sarah, Islam teaches that the first 24 prophets were so rejected by Muslims that Muslims don't have ANY historical documents or artifacts of Ismael, Abraham, Moses or Jesus prior to Muhammad. Therefore, it would be illogical to suggest that Islam is the youngest religion or that Muslims were prone to obeying Allah.

    Because we know that Muhammad was Allah's faithful servant and Allah is rich in mercy, we also know that Allah gave us so generously that nothing more could be received and Muhammad gave us all that prior to his death.

    Since this is true, we also know that the creators of the Hadith did so because they were full of sin.

    Allah handed them over to their sin as punishment

    for failing to believe everything humanity could want

    was not provided by Allah through his faithful servant

    or that non-prophets who never spoke with Allah

    could better determine than the faithful servant of Allah the will of Allah.

    Islam was corrupted by these haters of Muhammad who burned all Qurans that didn't exactly match the one copy they chose as the standard. This is why we have over 100 translations of the Quran which would all be burned if these haters of Muhammad and Allah were alive today.

  • 8 years ago

    Do you think your computer existed without some intelligent mind created them? That it just existed just like that? I dont think so..

    How about the universe.., the galaxies,,, the solar system? They are all moving wih exactness... and just observing all living things... you will find knowledge and intelligence in them as you observe them. So do you think it will work just as if they have their own minds??? Let's broaden our mind on things around us...

    To learn more on this subject... listen to the ONLY sensible preacher in these last days. Bro ELI SORIANO.

    All your questions re FAITH will be answered. TEST him

    www.livestream.com/elisoriano or caminhoantigo.tv

    God bless

  • ?
    Lv 4
    5 years ago

    It's extra sincere to be agnostic toward them it seems that. That is going for leprechauns, willow the wisps and fairies too. Edit: Jim is mistaken, there is not any such clinical time period as macro evolution. Speciation is the proper one and this has been determined, in spite of all of the creationist claims to the opposite.

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