JESUS HOAX: Jesus lived 2000 years ago.. How can we even prove jesus existed...?? Jesus real or Hoax?

Jesus Hoax

@Lightning; Sorry to burst your bubble but I got some bad news for ya! Josephus was the most contemporary historian to Jesus, and he had two passages in his work which state Jesus' name. One as the brother of James the lust. The other which included his miracle work, crucifixion and possibly resurrection. HOWEVER, these documents were accounts of "witness reports", none of which are mentioned and the kicker...wait for it...written TWENTY YEARS AFTER JESUS DIED. Yeah...that's the earliest "historical documents" validating Jesus' existence... To add insult to injury, there were hundreds if not thousands of other historically documented people, claiming to be messiahs at around the same time. Jesus was never mentioned by those well known historians, and quite frankly if some dude was walking around raising people from the dead, turning water into wine, and just claiming to be God himself, I think he would be pretty well documented. Unless it's all a well thought out hoax that is :)

The historian H. G. Wells said that a man’s greatness can be measured by ‘what he leaves to grow, and whether he started others to think along fresh lines with a vigor that persisted after him.’ Wells, although not claiming to be a Christian, acknowledged: “By this test Jesus stands first.”

Alexander the Great, Charlemagne (styled “the Great” even in his own lifetime), and Napoleon Bonaparte were powerful rulers. By their formidable presence, they wielded great influence over those they commanded. Yet, Napoleon is reported to have said: “Jesus Christ has influenced and commanded His subjects without His visible bodily presence.”

By his dynamic teachings and by the way he lived in harmony with them, Jesus has powerfully affected the lives of people for nearly two thousand years. As one writer aptly expressed it: “All the armies that ever marched, and all the navies that ever were built, and all the parliaments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned, put together have not affected the life of man upon this earth as powerfully.”

A Historical Person

Yet, strangely, some say that Jesus never lived—that he is, in effect, a creation of some first-century men. Answering such skeptics, the respected historian Will Durant argued: “That a few simple men should in one generation have invented so powerful and appealing a personality, so lofty an ethic and so inspiring a vision of human brotherhood, would be a miracle far more incredible than any recorded in the Gospels.”

Jesus never claimed to be God, but he acknowledged that he was the promised Messiah, or Christ. He also said he was “God’s Son,” not God. (John 4:25, 26; 10:36) Yet, the Bible does not say Jesus was a man like any other man. He was a very special person because he was created by God before all other things. (Colossians 1:15) For countless billions of years, before even the physical universe was created, Jesus lived as a spirit person in heaven and enjoyed intimate fellowship with his Father, God, the Grand Creator.—Proverbs 8:22, 27-31.

His love has touched the hearts of millions through the centuries and has influenced their lives for the good.

Yet, some may object: ‘Look at all the crimes that have been committed in the name of Christ—the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the wars that have seen millions who claim to be Christian kill one another on opposing battle lines.’ But the truth is, these people belie their claim to be followers of Jesus. His teachings and way of life condemn their actions. Even a Hindu, Mohandas Gandhi, was moved to say: ‘I love Christ, but I despise Christians because they do not live as Christ lived.’

Benefit by Learning About Him

A scholar from the University of Chicago claimed recently: “More has been written about Jesus in the last twenty years than in the previous two thousand.” Yet there is a vital need to consider personally the Gospel accounts, for as The Encyclopædia Britannica stated: “Many a modern student has become so preoccupied with conflicting theories about Jesus and the Gospels that he has neglected to study these basic sources by themselves.” That is, The Bible itself.

cornelius tacitus was a first century historian he wrote:Jesus, the founder of the [Christian] name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius. But the

pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the evil originated, by through the city of

Rome also

pliny the younger was another first century historian he wrote:"I asked them directly if they were Christians...those who persisted, I ordered away... Those who denied they were or ever had been

Christians...worshiped both your image and the images of the gods and cursed Christ. They used to gather on a stated day before dawn and

sing to Jesus as if he were a god

Lucian was another ancient satirist he wrote:The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day- the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that

account... It was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers from the moment they are converted and deny the

gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws...

Celsus was a ancient author he wrote:Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her

hands. His mother had been turned out by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a Roman soldier

named Panthera]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard

flavius josephus was a first century historian he wrote:

"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such

men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles.And when

Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross.The tribes of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day

Short answer: The evidence shows that Jesus is just a mythical character and never existed.

For those who think that what counts is what he taught, remember that the biblical Jesus also approved of slavery and cutting slaves up if they displeased their master.

For Jesus-believers, here's the long answer (with evidence), which is needed to cover all bases:

All reliable evidence points to Jesus Christ being just a myth. There is no reliable evidence that Jesus even existed, and significant evidence that he didn't. The evidence is in the Bible, the other religions of the time, and the lack of writings about Jesus by historians of the time.

The story of Jesus can be shown to be just a myth created to fulfill prophesy, cobbled together out of stories from the Old Testament and previous gods and myths -- created in the 40's and 50's by Paul of Tarsus (who exhibited symptoms of epilepsy and had delusions of Christ talking to him), the other apostles, the unknown authors of the gospels in the 70's or later, and many other people. The reliable evidence for this is overwhelming.

Paul and the other epistle writers don't know any biographical details of Jesus' life, or even the time of his earthly existence. They don't refer to Bethlehem, Nazareth, Galilee, Calvary or Golgotha — or any pilgrimages to what should have been holy sites of Jesus' life. They also don't mention any miracles that Jesus was supposed to have worked, his virgin birth, his trial, the empty tomb, or his moral teachings. To them Jesus was largely a sky-god, who existed in the spiritual past.

If Jesus had actually existed, Paul would have written about his life, disciples, and teachings. Paul did not write about any of this. Note that to Paul, Peter was another (competing) epistle writer. Paul referred to James as the Lord's brother, not Jesus' brother. This is much like people of a religion who refer to each other as brothers. Paul wrote (in Romans 16:25-26, Galatians 1:11,12) that he knew Jesus through revelation, which is another term for fantasy and delusions. We can also tell that people were accusing Paul of lying, because he attempted to defend himself in Romans 3:5-8.

If Jesus had actually existed, the gospels would have been written in first person format. Instead, they were written in third person fiction format like a Harry Potter story, with Matthew and Luke extensively plagiarizing from Mark. The gospels don't even claim to be eyewitness accounts, and were written in Greek - which the disciples would not have known. In fact, there are no claimed eyewitness or contemporary accounts of Jesus - anywhere. All we have are hearsay witnesses.

If the Jesus story were true, his trial would have been legal. Instead, the purported trial was illegitimate under both Roman and Jewish law. The story of the trial is just a re-telling of the Jewish ritual of scapegoating, where one goat is set free (i.e. Barabbas, which means "son of the father") and one goat is sacrificed (i.e. Jesus). In addition, many scholars have pointed out that the entire crucifixion scene is created out of material extracted from the Psalms.

If Jesus had actually existed, at least one of the approximately 30 local historians of the first century would have written about him. No historian of the first century (including Josephus and Philo of Alexandria) wrote about him or his disciples.

Therefore Jesus didn't exist.

The Jesus story also shows extensive similarities to other myths of the time (especially Horus, Mithra, Osiris, and Dionysus). For instance, baptism into the death and resurrection of Osiris washed away sins so the soul could obtain the best place in heaven. Some early Christians attributed these similarities to Satan who went back in time and created the religions that "copied" Christianity.

Jesus is worshiped on Sunday because he is a sun god, like over a dozen others whose birthdays were also on the old winter solstice of December 25, when the sun is “reborn.”

There were also over a dozen other deities and saviors who were resurrected (often after violent deaths). Christianity just told the story the best, and managed to get control of the government under Constantine.

For much more evidence, see the links. There are also several good books on this, including:

"Nailed: Ten Christian Myths that Show Jesus Never Existed At All"

by David Fitzgerald

"The Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty

"Not the Impossible Faith" by Richard Carrier

And if anybody still thinks that Jesus actually existed, please send the information on the reliable evidence supporting this position (not just somebody's opinion).

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There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.

http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html

Suggested Reading

The Case for the Real Jesus By: Lee Strobel

http://www.christianbook.com/the-case-for-the-real...

Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0

'Did Jesus Exist?' A Historian Makes His Case

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/01/149462376/did-jesus-...

Refuting the myth that Jesus never existed

http://bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm

Did Jesus Really Exist?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/philosophicalfragment...

What do we know about Jesus - from non-biblical sources?

http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Divin/D-0201.htm

Did Jesus Christ Really Exist? Proving Jesus Without the Bible

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-exist-historical-...

Is There Any Evidence for Jesus Outside the Bible?

http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/pg79644

You ask us how we can prove He existed? Let me answer you with a question: How can you prove He DIDNT exist? U can't and anyway faith is believing without solid proof

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Jesus Christ simply means in traslation : Anoited(Jesus) Saviour(Christ)