Atheists, do you honestly think that there is no absolute right and no absolute wrong?

Murder is only a universal wrong semantically.

"Murder" is the term that we apply to the killing of a human that has been determined to be "wrong", so by definition it.s wrong.

But there's no objective, universal standard by which to judge murder. What is "murder" in one time, culture or circumstance may not be "murder" in another.

It's the same with "rape"--again, we all agree that rape is wrong, because it is the precisely the label that we attach to trangressive sexual acts. However, there's no objective, universal agreement on where that line should be drawn--and it's not just "backward" societies we are talking about. There is a large, mainstream conservative group in the US that steadfastly maintains that it is impossible--impossible--for a woman to be raped by her husband. Most people would recognize that for the cack it is, but these probably otherwise decent people are adamant in their viewpoint.

Yes, all morals are subjective. There is no absolute right or wrong, good or evil. All these are related to the purposes of individuals and societies. You say that murder is always wrong, but do your morals allow for intentional killing of people to de redefined soo that there are arbitrary exceptions? Is it moral for you to murdersomeone as part of societies punishment for some crimes? Is murder moral if it is part of defending yourself, individually or as part of a war effort?

But even if I cannot think of an exception, that does not mean that some act is inherently wrong or evil. It just means that some act is detrimental for someone in every case I can imagine. We, individually and as a society decide what is right or wrong, based on our own wants (to not be killed, for instance) and out of empathy for the wants of others.

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Regards,

John Popelish

I said "some"- atheists did not mention murder as a universal wrong.

- The problem is semantics. "Murder" is wrong but killing is perfectly acceptable. The difference is that murder is killing without proper authority and since fundies believe that god is the ultimate authority he can kill as sensesly and wantonly as he wants but then all fundies who claim to be doing god's work kill as wantonly because they fell they have the authority.

both rape and murder are atrocious crimes.

- If you have the authority neither is a crime,read the bible.

Everything is relative, there are no absolutes. However, when formulating your own moral code you have to take account of what is right or wrong in the context of being a human living with other humans and animals. The easiest way to look at it is to treat people the way that you like to be treated. (unless you're a masochist of course)

There are no absolute rights and wrongs...... it is all subjective and based on the society you are in. Take your murder for example... the killing of another person.... how about during war? Is it ok at war time for soldiers to kill eachother? Hwo about to protect yourself or family? Would it then be ok to kill someone who threatened the life of your children? How about the death sentence? Ok to kill someone who has killed others? How about in the middle east where honor killings are common..... it is considered the RIGHT thing to kill someone who has dishonered your family even if such dishoner is a minor thing like looking at a boy.... See how subjective killing can be? There is no absolute.

In peoples minds some things are right and some are wrong, for Ex a person killing a animal is right for some, but wrong for a vegetarian

Agree!

They say they dont believe in Absolute right and wrong but they really do. Dont let their sophisticated arguments fool you.

Slavery is a god-given right...No wait. That's wrong.

If you are hurting others you are doing wrong. Thats all there is too it.