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Al P
Lv 7
Al P asked in Science & MathematicsPhysics · 8 years ago

24 hour clock problem?

A vehicle using a 24 clock will maximize distance after

occurrences of time, (h+m+s)s accumulate, and constant

speed then after is also given by (h+m+s) m/s.

At what time does the trip end and how far did it

travel? Time starts at 00:00:00.

Update:

Example: 08:14:05 yields (8+14+5) = 27 s

Update 2:

Hi Fred.

Actually, at some time XX:XX:XX on the clock one

has accumulated the maximum number of time intervals,

n*27 for example, possible. One must then start the

trip at 27 m/s. To make this more physical, imagine your

electric car battery has stored maximum energy and thus

time(s) and is reading to go.

Update 3:

Yes Fred. Maybe this will help: Starting the trip at 00:00:00 gives:

S = v*T = 0 m/s * (1*0)s = 0 m since there's only one occurrence, and

the same goes for 23:59:59.

Update 4:

Sorry Fred, I can be alittle more clear.

For the case 23:59:59; you would start

the trip at this time and: s = vt = 141 m/s*(1*141)s

but this would not give maximum distance.

Update 5:

@anyone:

Feel free to ask for more feedback. This problem has a simple solution.

It can be solved on a purely mathematical basis without reference

to physics, but speaking for myself, I find this sort of thing more

interesting with some physical basis. Thank you.

Update 6:

Correct. You would then leave at 03:00:00

and the trip would end 30s after said time.

Why the wait? It really doesn't matter, but

let's say for some ponderable reason it took

that long relative to 00:00:00 to charge your

electric car battery, or maybe the gas pump flow

rate was extremely low needless to say. Consequently,

you had some ripe words for the station owner thereby

violating the Principle of Care :)

Update 7:

n= 1 v= 0 s= 0

n= 3 v= 1 s= 3

n= 6 v= 2 s= 24

n= 10 v= 3 s= 90

n= 15 v= 4 s= 240

n= 21 v= 5 s= 525

n= 28 v= 6 s= 1008

n= 36 v= 7 s= 1764

n= 45 v= 8 s= 2880

n= 55 v= 9 s= 4455

.....

n= 1290 v= 73 s= 6874410

n= 1284 v= 74 s= 7031184

n= 1276 v= 75 s= 7177500

n= 1266 v= 76 s= 7312416

n= 1254 v= 77 s= 7434966

n= 1240 v= 78 s= 7544160

n= 1224 v= 79 s= 7638984

n= 1206 v= 80 s= 7718400

n= 1186 v= 81 s= 7781346

n= 1164 v= 82 s= 7826736

n= 1140 v= 83 s= 7853460

n= 1116 v= 84 s= 7874496

n= 1092 v= 85 s= 7889700

n= 1068 v= 86 s= 7898928

Wouldn't GM or Ford love to have a battery

with mucho energy density!

==> start time 23:59:05

==>end time 25.23 hr. later

==>n= 1044, t=n*87s, v= 87 m/s, s= 7902036 m

n= 1020 v= 88 s= 7898880

n= 996 v= 89 s= 7889316

n= 972 v= 90 s= 7873200

n= 948 v= 91 s= 7850388

n= 924 v= 92 s= 7820736

n= 900 v= 93 s= 7784100

n= 876 v= 94 s= 7740336

n= 852 v= 95 s= 76893

Update 8:

n= 828 v= 96 s= 7630848

n= 804 v= 97 s= 7564836

n= 780 v= 98 s= 7491120

n= 756 v= 99 s= 7409556

...

n= 66 v= 131 s= 1132626

n= 55 v= 132 s= 958320

n= 45 v= 133 s= 796005

n= 36 v= 134 s= 646416

n= 28 v= 135 s= 510300

n= 21 v= 136 s= 388416

n= 15 v= 137 s= 281535

n= 10 v= 138 s= 190440

n= 6 v= 139 s= 115926

n= 3 v= 140 s= 58800

n= 1 v= 141 s= 19881

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  • Fred
    Lv 7
    8 years ago
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    I'm certain of exactly two things here:

    1. That you have a question in there.

    2. That I can't make the foggiest sense of it.

    What precisely are you trying to ask, good sir?

    Is your example saying, that if 08:14:05 is chosen, the vehicle will stand at the start line until

    8+14+5 = 27 s = clock time 00:00:27,

    then travel 27 m/s until 08:14:05?

    And that the object is to maximize the distance by judicious choice of hh:mm:ss under this rule?

    (If so, I think you'd want to just choose 23:59:59, wouldn't you?)

    Or are you asking for the choice of a sequence of increasing hh:mm:ss values, following that rule for each of these in turn, only starting at 00:00:00, and starting each leg at the end of the previous one, then maximizing total distance by the end? But then, it would always *end* at 23:59:59. Finding the max distance would still be interesting, however.

    I'm surely missing something.

    EDIT:

    Hi, Al!

    OK, but what ever do you mean by, 'accumulating time intervals'? How is this done/how does it happen, and who or what does it, and when?

    And what effect do all these time intervals, once accumulated, have on the start time, speed, and end time of the trip?

    Is it one particular time interval that the hh+mm+ss rule gets applied to, and if so, which one, and what effect do any of the other ones have on the outcome?

    So you're going to go hh+mm+ss=N m/s for N s, so that 'leg' will take you N² meters. Is this repeated for each of these 'accumulated time intervals'?

    When the "time starts at 00:00:00," is that when the trip starts? Or is that when this 'accumulation' phase starts? And if so, then when does the trip start?

    EDIT2:

    Wait, I think I'm getting it. What you're really asking is, to choose a non-negative integer sum, N, and then, take all the integer (h,m,s) combinations that add up to that:

    N = h + m + s

    for which

    0 ≤ h ≤ 23

    0 ≤ m ≤ 59

    0 ≤ s ≤ 59

    and then, with n = the number of such combinations, you start at the final such time (although, what does it really matter when you start, since your total travel time and distance are both determined by N and n?) and you travel

    v = N m/s for T = nN s

    so that your total travel distance is

    d = vT = nN² m

    and the problem is to maximize d by choice of N.

    Is that it?

    So if you chose N = 3, then you'd have (h,m,s) =

    (0,0,3), (0,1,2), (0,2,1), (0,3,0), (1,0,2), (1,1,1), (1,2,0), (2,0,1), (2,1,0), (3,0,0)

    n = 10, v = 3 m/s, T = 30 s,

    d = 10•3² m = 90 m

    ?

    EDIT3:

    OK, then. Oh, and I've corrected my limits on m & s in EDIT2.

    So it's like you've got a 3-dimensional grid of integer points, boxed in by those limits on h, m, & s in EDIT2, and you slice it with planes of constant sum of those 3 coordinates:

    h + m + s = N

    That sum is proportional to the distance of the plane from the origin.

    You multiply the square of that sum, N², by the grid-point count, n, of the section it makes through that box, which is (approximately) proportional to the section's area, and you want to maximize that product.

    My first suspicion is that the max will occur for the section that passes through

    (h,m,s) = (0,59,59), for which N = 118; n = trian(24) = 24•25/2 = 300; d = nN² = 4177200

    If you bump N up one unit, of course, you gain some in N², but you lose some in n:

    N = 119; n = trian(23) = 23•24/2 = 276; d = nN² = 3908436

    If you drop N by one, N² loses, while n gains, but n is no longer triangular; the section through the box is now triangular, but with one corner "nipped" to make an isosceles trapezoid:

    N = 117; n = trian(25) - trian(1) = 324; d = nN² = 4435236

    so my suspicion was in error, and we must pursue this somewhat more complicated path.

    For 82 ≤ N ≤ 118, we'll have

    n = trian(142-N) - trian(118-N) = ½[(142-N)(143-N) - (118-N)(119-N)] = 3132 - 24N

    The thing we are maximizing is now

    d = nN² = 3132N² - 24N³

    d' = 72(87N - N²)

    h + m + s = N = 87 is the solution

    00:28:59, 00:29:58, .., 00:59:28

    01:27:59, .., 01:59:27

    02:26:59, .., 02:59:26

    . . .

    23:05:59, .., 23:59:05

    n = 3132 - 24N = 1044

    That last, 23:59:05, will be the start time, with 1044 trips of 87 s each, at 87 m/s, for a total trip distance

    d = 1044•87² m = 7902036 m (about 4910 mi!)

  • Al P
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    @Yahoo Answers:

    I am going to remember the fact that you deleted

    data content from (this) my question when you changed

    formats.

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