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? asked in Pregnancy & ParentingParenting · 7 years ago

Thoughts on this situation?

My brother and his wife are expecting their 2nd child in late winter. Their daughter who is 2 (almost 3) is the same age as my youngest. They are only 2 weeks apart as a matter of fact. I will call her Jane for anonymity purposes. Well, basically, I am concerned for the new baby because "Jane" is extremely rough and obnoxious. I hate to say that about my own niece, but they way they are parenting her is absurd. It is not so much my brother. I believe he would do things very differently, but his wife is constantly reading up on modern parenting methods and has some whacky ideas. She lets "Jane" sleep with her and my brother has to sleep on the couch. They don't discipline her and she is very aggressive. She usually pushes, strangles, bites, and pokes my daughters eyes. She has terrible tantrums. She is possessive. Recently we went to their house, and she took both my daughters stuffed animals out of their hands and threw them behind the couch. She wouldn't let them touch her toys. The mom doesn't believe in spanking. She knows that we choose to spank our children in certain cases and quite frankly, our children are much better behaved. We teach them respect, safety and manners. We only spank in cases of rebellion. Both my girls are extremely strong willed and persistent, but with consistent discipline and love, they are shaping up to be awesome little girls. Our niece on the other hand, no body wants to be around her. Everyone has felt it is not their place to say anything, but it is starting to get to the place where we are all concerned for the new baby's safety. I can see "Jane" being very jealous of the baby and hurting the baby. Any suggestions?

Update:

@Jakes Mommy, that was extremely rude. I am sorry, but when my children are being hurt, pushed downstairs, or effected in any way, yes it is my business. I am just trying to figure out the best way to deal with it, even if it is just to "butt out."

@desmeran, I do watch them very closely...trust me I don't take my eyes off them, but the parents are usually not paying attention to discipline her. There have been times when I have taken "Jane" aside and gotten after her myself (in an appropriate way) and she screams obnoxiously, and runs to her parents. Not knowing what was going on, they pick her up and kiss on her and comfort her. My parents have made comments to them and they have not always been received well. The parents (my brother and sis-in-law) are generally very sweet nice people but seem clueless about this.

Update 2:

Oh and I agree that not everyone chooses to spank, that is why I don't push it. It has worked for us and I believe there is a right way and very wrong way to do that. I also understand that it is none of my business about their sleeping arrangements, but it is affecting their marriage. They don't agree on how to raise their child and they don't even sleep together at night. There is no special private mommy and daddy cool down time. It is all about "Jane." They are creating their own personal jails in this situation. I would be miserable living like that! Not saying it is my business, but these are just observations.

Update 3:

@ Phil, this is the reason I shouldn't have posted this question. There are too many things that I had to leave out because of time and space restrictions, but I have to say that you seem slightly aggravated with me because of some of my parenting views and actions. There are many things about the situation that any person who knew the whole story would say it is less than ideal.

FIRST, I want to defend myself by acknowledging that yes, children do have their own personalities that can make raising them differ from one to another. You seem caught up on the fact that I am blaming the parents. No you cannot make your child not misbehave and you cannot force your child to do anything, but parents still need to raise, direct and teach their child. If children didn't need that guidance, there would be no need for parents. However that is a huge part of the parents job.

Second, regarding spanking, I can respect that you may be against it, however, you seem to think that because

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  • 7 years ago
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    "any suggestions?"

    if your 2-year-old is routinely being pushed, bitten, "strangled", and poked in the eye, my suggestion is that you watch them more closely when they're together before things get to that point.

    if in fact the parents don't end up doing likewise with their new baby, feel free to say something. since the baby is not even born yet and there's no reason to think that they won't do what's necessary to keep him or her safe, it'd be very premature to do something now.

    but for sure keep your opinions to yourself on their family's sleeping arrangements and whether or not the parents spank their 2-year-old, neither of which has anything to do with the price of tea in china.

  • Ista
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    7 years ago

    I wouldn't be overly worried. I've seen this before. Usually, bout the time they bring the new little bundle of joy home, they get a clue. It's amazing, how some people will let their little darling terrorize other children, but soon as they have their next, that nonsense isn't allowed any more. Well, at least not to the new baby, some are still allowed to be horrible to others.

    The lack of spanking, isn't the issue. There are other ways to enforce discipline. She's simply chosen not to.

    My suggestion? Stay out of it. She isn't going to like, or listen to anything you have to say. Talking to your brother is probably pointless as well, as from the sound of it, he doesn't have much input in his own home and family.

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    "I can see "Jane" being very jealous of the baby and hurting the baby" that almost never happens. Anyway, you said your brother's wife is up to date in her knowledge on baby care. That means baby will be kept close to her, either in her arms or in a carrier most of the time. "Jane" wouldn't get an opportunity to hurt her.

    let them sort it out. Preferably through non-violent ways. You seem very hung up on the idea that it's their parenting that's to "blame" for any issues, yet you yourself admit that children do have their own personalities and some are more determined than others, and some are more strong-willed than others.

    "We teach them respect, safety and manners." which is it? Do you do that, or do you spank and expect them to obey you blindly out of fear of painful consequences to themselves? By the sounds of it, your children are young. Study after study as well as basic common sense shows that children brought up violence-free and are able to freely express themselves while young do a lot better in teenagehood, prepubescent stages and adult life. You're only thinking of the short-term. Your niece's mother is considering the long-term.

    By the way, non-violent parenting is not modern. It's how children were traditionally parented for aeons especially before the world wars. And time and time again it's been shown throughout many cultures and historical epochs that non-violence and actual guidance, keeping them busy and teaching children is the best way to produce healthier, more well-adjusted individuals in societies.

    Your brother shouldn't have to sleep on the couch just because his daughter's in the bed. Unless he's a drinker or takes medications or uses drugs he should be fine staying in the bed. It would seem he sleeps on the couch by choice.

    If she's aggressive and if you want to find a way to blame parenting in any way, suggest that they do more activities with "Jane" which are highly energetic and let her run around and play outside more, and don't restrict what she does that's not harmful. You can't force a child not to misbehave, but you can guide them towards acceptable behavior as alternatives, and keep communication lines open and be constantly explaining things in simple language.

    Edit: Your whole post is about blaming this girl's mother, so attacking me for noticing that and then saying I'm "hung up" on you blaming her is weird.

    "Jane's" behavior screams of a child who gets yelled at and doesn't get a lot of interaction with adults who are role-modelling proper behavior. For a 2 year-old they learn more social skills from WATCHING and LISTENING to adults interact with eachother, and try to mimic that. So if you want to discuss anything with them, ask your brother how their marriage is, and whether or not they argue, and have they remembered that as well as being the center of attention, it's important that toddlers also get to tag along and actually be involved and can watch and listen.

  • 7 years ago

    My 6 year old niece was like that, aged 1 she met a boy who came round ours and she was rough with him.

    She became an older sister when she was 18 months. My nieces are never smacked, they get told off.

    My nieces aged 6 and 4 are big sisters to a 6 month old boy, they never handle him rough.

    The 4 year old is actually protective of him.

    Maybe they are not giving her enough attention, have you spoken to them about it?

  • 7 years ago

    maybe like the next time you go round to your brothers house like if 'jane' takes your childs toys off them or wont let them play with her then tell them to just leave her to it and go and play something else without her and then maybe she'll realise that they don't want to play with her because she's being horrible to them. maybe you coud just like sit down with the mum and talk to her about your concerns.

  • 7 years ago

    You need to just butt out. It's none of your business. It's their child.

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