If Jesus DID die for all of our sins, then?

He didn't die for everyone's sins, but only Christians who discontinue willfully sinning.

Heb 10:24 Let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good works, 10:25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another; and so much the more, as you see the Day approaching. 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins, 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which will devour the adversaries. 10:28 A man who disregards Moses’ law dies without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses. 10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will he be judged worthy of, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 10:30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance belongs to me,” says the Lord, “I will repay.”* Again, “The Lord will judge his people.”* 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

From your question, it sounds to me like he did not die for your sins. (I hope I'm wrong.)

Religion is designed to focus the people's attention and energy on a single, unchanging, uncompromising and invisible supreme being who allegedly created an inferior human race just for some extra companionship and love for himself and then supposedly foisted a set of oppressive and in some cases arbitrary rules on them, which if broken would be met with unimaginable punishment.

This keeps the followers in a continuing state of fear and compliance.

They are afraid to question the intentions of this invisible being and they are afraid of even expressing their own individuality in many cases. Christians and others are taught that they have virtually no power to do anything except pray, worship and do good deeds.

They are taught to practice self denial and are told that their own will is totally irrelevant. Religious followers believe that they are yielding their will over to a benevolent cosmic individual who has single-handedly created the whole universe and has their best interests at heart when in fact they are handing over their will and freedoms to hidden groups of religious elites for the elites own personal gains.

It appears that religion must constantly degrade and humiliate its followers in order to glorify and elevate its god. Unfortunately many people appear eager to give away their power to authority and seem to have a need and even a desire to be ruled and disciplined by it.

Worshipping gods is futile and is nothing more than an ancient primitive custom practiced by weak minded and superstitious people. It has no place in the 21st century. The reason we have life in this world is to experience life in this world, not to spend our entire lives studying an old book, looking up to the sky and worshipping an invisible ruler in another realm.

The main method by which Christians in particular are trapped and deceived is with the messiah or saviour story. This is linked to the 'original sin' story which is designed to impose a large amount of guilt onto the whole of humanity. The believers are then so grateful that they have been saved by the son of God nearly 2000 years before they were born that in some cases they abandon all reason, logic and good judgment to obey and worship this god and his son.

Anyone who believes this story is indeed lost because to believe that a god would send his only son to help us, only to see his son get tortured and murdered, and then instead of unleashing all his wrath, simply absolve us from all crimes past and present, is pure madness to say the least.

Where is the lesson for us in that? What has been achieved? There is no lesson or purpose because it's all about mass psychological enslavement and disempowerment.

The so called god that we are expected to worship is undoubtedly just a dictator strawman concocted by the religious elites for the purpose of controlling the masses.

If there is a prime creator in this universe then it is unlikely that he would interfere and impose on us by foisting his arbitrary laws, let alone need and demand our frivolous worship and blind obedience. Neither of those things requires any level of mental aptitude or creativity. The intelligence and skills that's been given to many has gone totally to waste.

Many have lowered themselves to the pointless practice of hero worship.

Furthermore, Christianity, Islam and a few other religions are polarized religions. They are polarized against each other. One is believed to be good and the other is seen as bad. The funny thing is, is that each one thinks that their's is good and the other's is bad. In most ways they're both bad. The only good kind of religion is a neutral and all loving one.

Polarized religions have been devised by influential elite leaders to play the people off against each other. That way the elite can defeat and enslave the population practically without lifting a finger.

Religion is like a drug to some. And they need a 2000 year old hero to save them - from themselves that is!

The churches don't permit their followers to have any real truth and knowledge because that would empower the people too much so they spoon feed them kiddie stories, half truths, distortions and even lies and the followers value it highly even though they must spend the rest of their lives just making sense of it.

The irony is that religion is pretty much man made, so mankind has really brought this onto themselves.

The religious elites are not totally to blame because many people actually enjoy listening to mystical sounding stories, performing rituals, customs and traditions, playing polarity roles and dramas and waging battles against what they perceive to be a devil boogie man. They also have a secret fetish to be dominated and ruled with an iron fist by a supreme ruler or king.

After all these centuries people still haven't learned to take back their power and start taking responsibility for themselves .

He died for the sin of Adam and it says he became our father. With a cry of adoption.

But you can still die for your sins. We just don't inherit it from Adam.

This is really a question about "limited atonement."

QUESTION: Did Jesus pay the price for EVERYONE'S sins? Or only for the sins of those who are "saved?"

ANSWER: Jesus only paid the price for those people who would eventually accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. He did not pay the price for those people who chose to go their own way in life.

You can learn more about this at the Grace To You web site. Here's the link:

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/80-356/the-at...

(You can either listen to it for free, or read the full text.)

EXCERPTS:

John 1:12 ~~~ “As many as received Him, as many as received Him”..listen...”to them He gave the exousia, the power to become children of God even to those who believe in His name.” Look, if anybody believes in His name, if anybody receives Him, it is because He gave them the power. They were born, verse 13 says, not of blood, that is not because of some inheritance humanly speaking, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man but of God. If anyone receives, if anyone believes, it is because it is the will of God by which God Himself has given the power to the sinner to become His child.

And when anybody says, “I don’t believe in a limited atonement,” I say this to them, “Then you believe that everyone who has ever lived will be in heaven, right?” Well no. Okay, so you do believe in a limited atonement. Right? The only question for you is, who limits it? Who limits it?

Now if you want to believe that Jesus died and paid the penalty for all the sins of all the people who ever lived, then I’ll promise you this, all the people who ever lived would have to show up in heaven to confirm your belief because if Christ indeed pay the sacrifice in full for their sins, they will be in heaven unless Christ paying for your sins is something that is in itself impotent. You don’t really want to land with an unlimited atonement or you’re going to end up as a universalist and you’re going to deny the reality of hell.

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If someone prevented your mom from dying on a railroad crossing, would 'thanks' be enough? Jesus has saved your mortal soul from eternal torment. You could at least spend some time getting to know Him a little. Jesus has no ego at all. Please read Paul's letter to the Philippians.

i dont agree, church is where the elders teach the people what the doctrines of teh church are. the old teach the young and the young teach their children. soemthing like that. when not going to church, one will miss all the edification that transpires. but yeah, it can be uncomfortable to me too to go to church. there are sins of pride in the church among members and there are invasions of the devil and false brethren too. i dont think there is any religion thats not infected with the works of the flesh even like sorcery and witchcrafts. the latter make my life completely uncomfortable even in my church. see Rev 18:23 and 24.

He died for the sins that all imperfect humans are born with. He didn't die for the sins that you might commit with your own free will.

if attending church can save a person then all Atheists would have to do to be saved is set aside an hour or two a week, then return to their hedonistic lifestyle until next sunday

God is not building selfish little children with privileged attitudes. He is building free thinking pacifists.

unbelief has no forgiveness

that's why Atheist punishment is eternal