Creationists: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". What was before the beginning?

God existed before the beginning of creation the Jehovah Witnesses rewrote Scripture so the NWT Bible is not a Christian Bible but it state the Word was with God since the begging they error to believe the Word was "created" in the beginning and what's more of a heresy they stated all things were created through a creation that would make the Word a lesser god which is polytheism. Scripture is clear about this the word "since" is used meaning the Word was already there with God before creation. In the Book of Revelation there are two times this is stated, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end" the first time is with the Almighty (Revelation 1:8) and the second time is with Jesus (Revelation 22:13-16). There is a beginning of creation there is also an end of creation being the end of this world and the new world which is to come after the Last Judgement what souls there are is what there shall be forever the end of creation and God will be there and after.

People reproducing having children is not going to happen at the end of creation.

The beginning marks the point at which the heavens and earth (Space and matter) began to exist. The language used suggests that the time 'dimension' experienced in the physical realm is specific to the physical realm. Or to put it in scientific terms, time as it is experienced in the physical realm is an emergent property of the physical realm. Time being an emergent property is not an existential entity - ontologically there is no such thing as time, time is merely a perceptual framework used to describe the relationship between cause and effect events. The first cause and effect event within the physical realm is space and matter coming into existence. What from? We now know based on experimental evidence that matter is a derivative of consciousness acting upon energy. Consciousness and energy both being immaterial quantities. The material is a product of the immaterial. While it is true that the immaterial is not a material thing, it is also not nothing. This is where materialism fails, in that it denies anything that is not material, despite experimental evidence demonstrating empirically that the existence of matter is contingent upon consciousness and energy.

God created the material realm from energy. All of the physical forces controlling the material realm are based upon energy. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed only changed in form. Matter is merely a physical form that stores energy. All matter can be converted to energy, but not all energy can be converted to perform work or to matter. That quantity of energy that can no longer be converted to perform work or into matter is call entropy. The fact of entropy establishes that the Material Realm is necessarily finite. Being finite it has a beginning, and will end.

Everything that has a beginning, had to have a cause. All of science is based on the principle of cause and effect. God is the uncaused First Cause, so before the beginning, God Is. He has no beginning, He has always existed. Just because our limited understanding can't fully comprehend this, doesn't make it any less true. We can choose to believe that God made everything by speaking it into existence, or we can believe that everything magically created itself from nothing, the "big bang" theory. We don't know what God was doing before he created us, some day we can ask him.

It is a moot question as god only creates the whole universe in the Christian versions of the old testament. In the original Hebrew version the universe and Earth already exist as a chaos of water.

1 In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --

2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,

3 and God saith, `Let light be;' and light is. This is what a literal translation from the Hebrew says.

You see, according to the original, undoctored version of Genesis, god did not create the universe.

Obviously the thumbs down people think that the original Hebrew version of the bible was wrong,

Young earthers are pathetic and just insulting to Christianity.

But, anyways, God could have created the heaven and the earth using something like a computer simulation. He didn't need to make it out of literally nothing. The universe could also be in his mind. You can do it now: create a universe in your mind. There it is, in your mind you created a universe--congrats!

God alone existed without beginning. God created everything using his own dynamic energy. Einstein proved energy could be converted into matter.

You are incapable of seeing, I would guess, how this sounds so much like the ravings of someone in delirium state.... I suggest you see a mental health practitioner as soon as possible BE CURSED.

One would have to conclude that if god was energy and created everything from itself then everything is not just of god but all matter and energy is god manifested. The other option is just magic which turns the whole concept into BS.

If a god did exist it could not just always have been god. The term god implies certain attributes. These attributes are meaningless without something for them to apply too. example - Superman has attributes but if there are no other men he is no longer superman. If there is nothing for him to bend with his bare hands how does the strength attribute apply? If there is nothing for him to see through x ray vision is meaningless. A God before the creation had nothing to be god to. A king without a kingdom is not a king. A god without the creation is the god of nothing.

So for any god to exist before the creation is senseless. It would know all of nothing (omniscience), it has power over nothing (omnipotence), has nothing to be good to (benevolence) and nothing to love so how could it love? The 'god' is meaningless.

The only way a god could exist is with the creation but, theist extrapolate god and put it outside the creation. It's like trying to remove the forest from the trees. God could only exist with the creation if it existed at all.

I do not claim god exist. I do try to conceive if a god existed how could it? The problem with religion is it keeps people with in the box or book (scriptures). They then can't think outside of it.

If a god did exist wouldn't it make more sense to reveal itself always and from the beginning? The gestalt universe could be regarded as one body. We are like protons or neutrons within an atom something in something else in an expanding universe. If the creation was the manifestation of god then god is everything that is. In that way it could be everywhere, is in everything and is infinite and it is one. I think of space, matter/energy and time as a universal recycling bin and perpetual motion machine. It's constantly morphing itself. Perhaps so that all parts may come to know that it is. Think of a new born that is learning it's body. The eyes follow the hands and it learns this is part of me. It learns to control it. It comes to self awareness. Because everything is of the universe and everything will surrender all the atoms it gained from it back to it, the cycle of matter to energy back to matter is completed. So time moves on. The arrangement of atoms is infinite. When we gaze into the vastness of space we can not help but, to be awed. If you have ever been to Niagara Falls you would know the feeling of the falls pulling you in. Is it gravity, is it hypnotic or is it your mind has found union. Much like the babe discovering a body part belongs to it. Do you belong to the tide your mind follows looking out to sea or to the stars in the night sky? Does the treed mountain or barren canyon grip you and pull you to it? Is this how a real god would speak? In silence to all life forms from the beginning of time. Not by proxy in one mans tongue left for others to translate. As the creation god would not be in hiding it would be exposed all the time. Like plants it speaks in silence. Like music it speaks in notes. Not in one tongue but universally. It would not matter that you honored it. Like the apple tree it gives unconditionally. If you stone the tree or worship it, it bares its fruit to all who would have it. Any god would need the creation to be relevant. Without the creation it would be but a singularity.

To assume a god is to assume the need for it. In the theist religions they make god having needs. Why would the god that can do anything have needs? You have to ask yourself this in the pursuit of saying everything had to come from somewhere. How could god exist without energy or matter and if god is energy/matter and it (energy/matter) always was then why the need for god?

God.

Is the Bible saying something came from nothing?

- Yes, except that they continually say that something cannot come from nothing.