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Update Question: Are there any Christians or Jews who think that David and Jonathan were Lovers ?
I already asked this question, but I forgot to add details.
I'm a Christian and I was reading their story and I have to be honest, it sounds like they were more than best friends. Now I'm aware of verses than condemn male homosexuality, like Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans 1:26,and 1 Corinthians 6:9, but I'm going by these verses:
The soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David,and David loved him as his own soul..
1 Samuel 18:3
Jonathan made David swear again by his love for him; for he loved him as he loved his own life.
1 Samuel 20:17
This is the main verse :
I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; greatly beloved were you to me; your love to me was wonderful,passing the love of women.
2 Samuel 1:26
That's a very intriguing verse in my opinion. Many say, "they were only best friends." but does the final verse really sound like a regular friendship? People also say it was a brotherly love, but soldiers view other soldiers as "brothers" or "sisters."
if you say they were lovers, you're accused of having a homosexual agenda, but what are we supposed to think when we read those verses,especially the final one? The Hebrew word for love is "ahava" which can either mean love between a man and woman, or love between God and humans.
I think our churches and temples need to have frank discussions about the relationship.
11 Answers
- ?Lv 75 years ago
There are Christians and Jews who do interpret the relationship between David and Jonathan to be one of a romantic nature; however, the majority do not read that kind of context in their Bible studies. Essentially, the language here (in the original Hebrew) doesn't uniquely designate romantic feelings and thus could highlight a more brotherly or platonic love between friends. On the another hand, a romantic relationship could potentially be in the subtext, but we just can't know that to be sure.
Personally, I don't think that they were lovers. I think it's possible, but I'm just going with what I see as more likely. Though, if it were determined that they were, it wouldn't shake my faith either. I'm a very pro-LGBT person as well as a Jew, so why would it? Besides, Jonathan being gay and David bisexual (because Bathsheba) doesn't change the core message of the story, if I recall it correctly, so at the very least I wouldn't think about challenging someone who does believe this.
Source(s): Jew - JenniferLv 75 years ago
You also have to understand the culture of Middle Eastern people. Even today, Middle Eastern men greet each other with hugs and kisses - doesn't make them gay. That is how they greet each other. Back then it was even more so....men who had very close brotherly relationships as David and Jonathan did greeted each other with hugs and kisses. Jonathan and David grew up together , more like brothers than friends.
- Annsan_In_HimLv 75 years ago
Those verses may read strangely to modern people, but there was nothing strange or questionable about two men being devoted to each other in platonic love. If I said, "They were soul-mates", would that help you understand? Just as soul-to-soul attraction can surpass man-to-woman-sexual attraction, so Jonathan and David's attraction was. They bound themselves in a covenant, so that one would die for the other - sex just didn't come into that. Why do people try to read into it things that just are not there?
As this author wrote, "One is reminded of Robert Gagnon's comment in which he claims that such arguments are 'specious connections made by people desperate to find the slightest shred of support for homosexual practice in the Bible'."
Source(s): A Sad Departure, David J. Randall p64 (The Banner Of Truth Trust 2015) - GregoryLv 75 years ago
no we do not think there were sexual lovers. they bonded together as if they were brothers like from the same family. why is it when two men show a deep bonding love it always has to be a sexual love and its considered gay. two men can have a deep bonding love toward each other that is not sexual or involves getting married to each other.
only people with filthy minds consider them gay or homosexual.. there was nothing perverse about the love jonathan and david had for each other
- Anonymous5 years ago
No David and Jonathan were like brothers.
- ?Lv 75 years ago
There is no sin in intensely loving someone of the same sex. Loving someone intensely does not automatically mean they have sex. It is not written that they did, so making that leap in order to convict David and Jonathan of a sin could be considered false witnessing and God is against false witnesses, particularly against false witnesses of His anointed King David.
- Anonymous5 years ago
They were not gay. They were best friends. They loved each other with godly love, not gay love. That's just a ploy that gay activists use to try to find some kind of support for their lifestyle, but the truth is that everything the Bible has to say about homosexuality is that it's sinful.
- ?Lv 65 years ago
I'm not a Christian, but yeah.... Those verses sound gay. You could argue it's "brotherly" love, but I do not consider my soul knit to that of my brothers..... That would be..... Weird.
- 5 years ago
I've always been curious about that, I would think that they were, but then get confused b/c of the condemnation of homosexuality