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Was the incarnate Word of God (John 1:14), confined to Jesus Christ's body?
Did the Word continue its own existence simultaneously in its previous relationship with the Father?
Re: "The Scriptures make it clear that Jesus was entirely human from his birth until his death."
Fully human, yes. "Entirely human" -- no. Did the Word become merely the human soul of Jesus? If so, what glory did we behold in John 1:14 if Jesus is just human? And in the transfiguration (Matt 17:2, Mark 9:2)?
What glory does he have? The Father's! Mat 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels...
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- Anonymous3 years agoFavorite Answer
"GOD was manifested in the flesh" (I Timothy 3:16) and became "a servant" (Philippians 2:7) who "was made a little lower than angels" (Hebrews 2:7); hence Jesus Christ who was GOD and *man* (Hebrews 4:15)!!!
He gave up HIS POWER to become Son of man and didn't regain until resurrection (Matthew 28:18) yet was "ONE SELFSAME SPIRIT" (I Corinthians 12:11-12)!
Do you recall Jesus saying in John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with thine own self with the glory I had with thee BEFORE the world was?" That was "the Son of man" speaking who was "in flesh" knowing that HE was about to suffer so that tells us HE "became a servant" for you and I!
Therefore, "the incarnate Word of God (John 1:14) was NOT confined to Jesus Christ's body" since HE was in heaven while on earth and ANY PLACE else HE desired; SIMULTANEOUSLY!
- DP.Lv 63 years ago
Before embarking on the journey such a question invokes you have to start with the fundamental basic truth......we cannot say for certain. More than that we have to ask .Do we NEED to know? Why isn't the matter made clear in the bible? Only by establishing these truths can we engage in such endeavours.
Frankly, therefore, I don't know if Christ was fully contained in a human shell. If He were not it is less than completely honest to contend He was FULLY human since to be FULLY human means being restricted by the human frame. If Christ was present outside the body whilst part of Him was contained inside the body He was not fully human in the sense He was not contained. He was really only partly human.
In quoting John 1:14 you assume Christ must have been more than human on the basis that glory was seen in Him but that is to make assumptions not supported. In the first place you have to get into the quagmire of deciding where Christ's glory lies. Is it in essence (that became human), His power and authority (that got set apart) or perhaps His divinity. This is something we cannot know for sure, but we do not that Christ incarnate did not have the glory He had before incarnation because He asked the Father for that glory to be returned. Irrespective, there was something about Christ incarnate that drew people to Him. Was it His divine essence, His divine glory or nothing more than His sinless human frame?
For me personally, I have always struggled with the idea that Jesus was FULLY human and FULLY God. It doesn't make any sense nor does it fit the scriptures. What it seems to encapsulate is some men's idea of how to reconcile scripture which results in their best guess of what is. If this works for some people then great. Since it changes nothing of who Christ is, what Christ did and who we are in Him, it matters so much less than other things and indeed the ultimate calling .."to do His will".
For me, I believe that at the heart of God is His essence.... His unchanging character. Each member of the Trinity is so intune with one another that in effect they think and act as one with unchanging thought, unchanging love, etc. Therefore, if any member of the Trinity, puts aside their divince powers (omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence) in essence they will remain unchanged. Granted they will not have the divince powers but aside from that they are unchanged. This is how I see Christ being God incarante. His essence was still God, He just deliberately entered into a human frame and willingly put aside His divine powers. I see this view fitting with the scriptures.
- 3 years ago
___God is a spirit... and a spirit can Not bleed, so the spirit made a body ( Jesus ).
( Hebrews 10 : 5 ) “ Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith , Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me “ .
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_ Now, Jesus is 100% God... and 100% man___ As God Jesus said, “ Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up “ ( John 2:19 ) So He, being God, raised Himself from the Dead !! . ___
.As a man, Jesus hungered, as God, Jesus feed the multitudes.
As a man, Jesus prayed, but as God, Jesus answers prayers !!_____ _
_As a man, Jesus cried out while on the cross, " My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? “ ( Mark 15:34 ) __but as God, Jesus said, " I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee " __( Hebrews 13:5 )_____
____As a man Jesus died... but as God, Jesus raised Himself from the grave. !! _
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_(_Isa. 9 : 6 ) tells us the SON is the everlasting Father ! ___Jesus is the Father in creation ( creator ). Jesus is the Son in redemption, ( Saviour, ) and the Holy Ghost in regeneration, ( Indwelling Spirit ) _ ( Rom. 8 : 11 ). ( Just ONE saviour ! )• . Colossians 1:16 KJV • “For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”
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( Luke 2:11 )For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Just ONE saviour ! ! . There is only, One God !_____Jesus Christ ! ___
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The bible tells us that " without the shedding of blood there can be no remissions of sins "... • Hebrews 9:22 KJV And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. ___
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*** Because God is everywhere at the same time____ He was able to stay in heaven, ____and come to the earth at the same time,___in the form of a man ( Jesus ), sacrifice Himself, ( SHED HIS BLOOD ! ) ___ instead of us, ( God knows we should die for our sins ) and God still lives !! *** Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, …( Philippians 2:9—11 ).
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Thomas called Jesus God, ( John 20:28 ) .
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Stephen while dying called God Jesus, ( Acts 7:59 )
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When Paul asked the Lord who He was in ( Acts 9 : 5,) The Lord said “ I am Jesus “…
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. "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was MANIFEST in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." – ( 1 Timothy 3:16 ) .
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The Holy Ghost is not a third person in the Godhead, but rather the manifestation of the Spirit of God ( the Creator ), and of the resurrected Christ, coming to dwell in the hearts and lives of all men, who will be obedient to the gospel, as the Comforter, Sustainer, and the Keeper ( John 14 : 16—26; Rom. 8 : 11 ) .
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. So There are not three Gods, but three MANIFESTATIONS of the One God. “ These three are one “ ( 1 John 5 : 7 )
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.Oneness is the belief that Jesus is God ! Jesus is the Son of God according to the flesh
( Rom. 1:3 ). and the very God Himself according to the Spirit ( Matt. 1 : 23 ).___ “ Behold , a virgin shall be with child , and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is , God with us ”__
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_ Jesus is the Christ ( Matt. 16:16, the creator of all things ( Col. 1: 16,17 ) ; God with us ( Matt. 1 :23 ) ; God made flesh ( John 1 : 1 ); God manifested in the flesh
( 1 Tim. 3 : 16 ) ; He which was, which is and which is to come. THE ALMIGHTY
( Rev. 1 : 8 ; Isa. 9: 6 ). To this, Jesus Himself testified when He said : "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father " ( John 14:7--11 ) ; and " I and my Father are one"
( John 10:30 )
- Anonymous3 years ago
Jesús is God, come IN the FORM of man, so God in man's body.
I think you're right, the relationship continued if that's your meaning.
We know Jesus did things man did not do.
- BJLv 73 years ago
The Scriptures make it clear that Jesus was entirely human from his birth until his death.
John did not say that the Word was merely clothed with flesh. He became flesh and was not part flesh and part God.
If Jesus had been human and divine at the same time, it could not have been said that he had been made a little lower than angels. Hebrews 2:9
If Jesus had been both God and man when on the earth, why did he repeatedly pray to Jehovah?
Paul wrote: In the days of his flesh Christ offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7
That Jesus was not partly a spirit when on the earth is proved by Peter’s statement that Christ was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.
Only because Jesus was wholly human could he have experienced what imperfect people experience and thus become a sympathetic high priest.
Paul said: We have as high priest, not one who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tested in all respects like ourselves, but without sin. Hebrews 4:15
As the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world, Jesus gave himself a corresponding ransom for all.
In that way, Jesus bought back exactly what Adam had lost perfect, eternal human life.
Since God’s justice required soul for soul, Jesus thus had to be what Adam was originally a perfect human, not a God-man.
As the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world, Jesus gave himself a corresponding ransom for all.
In that way, Jesus bought back exactly what Adam had lost perfect, eternal human life. Since God’s justice required soul for soul, Jesus thus had to be what Adam was originally a perfect human, not a God-man.
- ?Lv 73 years ago
God is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. It is that simple. One is a concept, not a number.
- Keith JLv 73 years ago
Jesus Christ is part of the eternal God.
1 John 5:7 (NKJV)
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
- Anonymous3 years ago
No
- Anonymous3 years ago
Let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 2:5-11King James Version (KJV)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
- yesmarLv 73 years ago
The Word was a separate entity from the Father. When he became the human Jesus, that is what he will be forever.