John

It is clear that something cannot possibly come from nothing because nothing is insubstantial. And so essentially there is nothing for the big bang to grab hold of in nothing, in order to pull out the primitive universe from that magic hat of nothing.

In fact what you are left with is an irreducible quantum field which is effectively a conserved property, just like the pre-quantum conservation laws. Creationist love conservation laws so that does not hurt our position at all.

And just like those conservation laws it is impossible to break them and so creation does not exist (according to atheists). And likewise because of the conservation of the quantum field; nothing is impossible and does not exist (and we believers agree since God always existed).

Atheists play the same old game; it used to be that matter always existed because of the conservation laws but now it’s that the quantum field always existed. Yup the same old, same old; nothing’s changed but the names to protect the guilty.

But the quantum field like matter itself can be created by God. And since God knows everything, and can do everything therefore all the quantum randomness would unfold just as God had intended.

And so God created the universe by creating the quantum field therefore atheists have merely moved the question from: who created matter, to who created the quantum field?

And so just like the bible says: God spoke and bang it happened.

SPACE IS NOT NOTHING; both PAIR PRODUCTION & QUANTUM VACUUM FLUCTUATIONS happen within space (IN FACT YOU WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO SHOW THE ONES THAT OCCUR IN THE ABSENCE OF SPACE). So in reality it is quite beyond Empirical Science (i.e. observable by the scientific method) to claim that they can happen without space or time; you cannot show that to be so, reference the quantum foam as a medium of the fluctuations. When you can SUCK OUT ALL THE SPACE AND TIME IN THE ROOM TO DO THE EXPERIMENT FOR WHAT YOU CLAIM then you can make that claim; So until then:

Checkmate, game over, and you lose atheists: you lost the argument as well as your very souls.

So am I right or what?

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This time, to avoid cheating among you, I will choose even between only atheists (if necessary) !!! However it does not mean that I agree, unless I state that I agree. Also some advice on how to win, this is not politics or a debate, the one with the most scientific argument will win without question. And when you best me, I will admit without question (I PROMISE, NO TRICKS, IF YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT I WILL ADMIT BEFORE THE WHOLE WORLD ON YAHOO ANSWERS) but if you don't make any good point then don't expect me to admit anything for you. If you have accessible email contact (through Yahoo Answer) I will give a detailed reason (if my time will permit) why I didn't think your argument held water. I'm trying to be fair here, and I hope you respect that; if not feel free to creditize me if it makes you feel better; however I warn you that will never be so convincing to anyone except yourself. But at least I will not be offended at though will consider you to be a man without any answers because of it.

It is clear that something cannot possibly come from nothing because nothing is insubstantial. And so essentially there is nothing for the big bang to grab hold of in nothing, in order to pull out the primitive universe from that magic hat of nothing.

In fact what you are left with is an irreducible quantum field which is effectively a conserved property, just like the pre-quantum conservation laws. Creationist love conservation laws so that does not hurt our position at all.

And just like those conservation laws it is impossible to break them and so creation does not exist (according to atheists). And likewise because of the conservation of the quantum field; nothing is impossible and does not exist (and we believers agree since God always existed).

Atheists play the same old game; it used to be that matter always existed because of the conservation laws but now it’s that the quantum field always existed. Yup the same old, same old; nothing’s changed but the names to protect the guilty.

But the quantum field like matter itself can be created by God. And since God knows everything, and can do everything therefore all the quantum randomness would unfold just as God had intended.

And so God created the universe by creating the quantum field therefore atheists have merely moved the question from: who created matter, to who created the quantum field?

And so just like the bible says: God spoke and bang it happened.

SPACE IS NOT NOTHING; both PAIR PRODUCTION & QUANTUM VACUUM FLUCTUATIONS happen within space (IN FACT YOU WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO SHOW THE ONES THAT OCCUR IN THE ABSENCE OF SPACE). So in reality it is quite beyond Empirical Science (i.e. observable by the scientific method) to claim that they can happen without space or time; you cannot show that to be so, reference the quantum foam as a medium of the fluctuations. When you can SUCK OUT ALL THE SPACE AND TIME IN THE ROOM TO DO THE EXPERIMENT FOR WHAT YOU CLAIM then you can make that claim; So until then:

Checkmate, game over, and you lose atheists: you lost the argument as well as your very souls.

So am I right or what?

It is clear that something cannot possibly come from nothing because nothing is insubstantial. And so essentially there is nothing for the big bang to grab hold of in nothing, in order to pull out the primitive universe from that magic hat of nothing.

In fact what you are left with is an irreducible quantum field which is effectively a conserved property, just like the pre-quantum conservation laws. Creationist love conservation laws so that does not hurt our position at all.

And just like those conservation laws it is impossible to break them and so creation does not exist (according to atheists). And likewise because of the conservation of the quantum field; nothing is impossible and does not exist (and we believers agree since God always existed).

Atheists play the same old game; it used to be that matter always existed because of the conservation laws but now it’s that the quantum field always existed. Yup the same old, same old; nothing’s changed but the names to protect the guilty.

But the quantum field like matter itself can be created by God. And since God knows everything, and can do everything therefore all the quantum randomness would unfold just as God had intended.

And so God created the universe by creating the quantum field therefore atheists have merely moved the question from: who created matter, to who created the quantum field?

And so just like the bible says: God spoke and bang it happened.

Checkmate, game over, and you lose atheists: you lost the argument as well as your very souls.

So am I right or what?