Hulitoons

To be honest, accidental pregnancies was part of the reason (Biblically) that marriage was invented to protect women and children. In other religions 'marriage' was and still is in some countries, a point so that men can have sons to carry on their name within tribes (bastards were/are not recognized), and fathers can get daughters out from under their financial burden.

From the debate: Argument against gay marriage in California hinges on accidental pregnancies--

[Only a man and a woman can beget a child together without advance planning, which means that opposite-sex couples have a unique tendency to produce unplanned and unintended offspring," wrote Paul Clement, a prominent attorney representing congressional Republicans in the DOMA case.

Clement added in his brief to the Supreme Court arguing to uphold that law that the government has a legitimate interest in solely recognizing marriages between men and women because it encourages them to form stable family units.]

The question then of legitimate marriage hinges on' pregnancy'....period. Based on the marriage foundation being created specifically for the protection of accidental pregnancies, and providing for legally procreated offspring, does this argument also give the court a right to ban traditional marriage where the male or female has proved barren? Or between those who will not be producing babies by their own consent? Or between a man and women beyond the age of bearing children at all?

after yesterday's hacking of my yahoo account (thankfully Yahoo noted it immediately and contacted me with instructions and password change), I've been trying to post a reply to a Yahoo article and getting :

Oops! Try again. (Error: CMT-AJ-CPS-REMT), so I searched to see what this meant and am not able to get a clear answer. I've tried rebooting, going to another computer entirely, changing some of the wording, waiting a few hours, changing browser etc. and still cannot post.

Here's the article I have been trying to post to: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/7-key-skills-hired-n...

and this is what I was trying to post: (I copied and am pasting exactly what I was trying to post:

This illustrates the need for super-computer Automatons, not human beings (unless the human can prove and illustrate a minimum 200 IQ with over-the-hill common sense, amazing stamina, along with charismatic draw and the eloquence of absolutely NO opinion of their own, only that of the particular employer at any given moment).

How many parents here, Moms and/or Dads have a choice?

I am going to try to be very careful how I word this because I surely do NOT want to insult anyone.

1. As a parent do you work because you want to, because you choose to, or because there is no other choice if your children (and you) are going to survive?

2. If both parents are present in the home, does the mother (or father) have a 'choice' or 'option' to NOT take outside employment so she/he can stay home and raise the children?

3. Are you presently at home with your children and not working because you cannot find work but need to?

4. Can you identify with someone who has access to 6-figured income ($100,000 or more) a year and has no need for outside employment?

5. Would you like to have the same circumstances as the person in number 4. above so you could stay home and raise your child(ren)?

(I have been unable to find this answered on here...at least from this perspective)

In spite of a bulging population, this is a hurtful question, yet it is one that I have given a lot of pondering over a period of years because it can only be based on the side of a prospective parent, without any input from a soul not yet born and so cannot speak on their own behalf. Most of the time prospective parents give reasons that are for their own gratification (or that of society's expectations):

1. To have something of my own

2. To pass on my family genetics (heir)

3. To give 'life'

4. To give grandchildren to my own parents

5. To do what we have all done since the beginning of time

6. To hold to our religious beliefs and standards

7. To take care of me in my old age

I think that all parents have this hope or belief that 'things' will be better for their children, that society will sort itself out. Historically though, even over my own lifetime (which is fairly adequate at this point), while I have seen many advances and some problems resolved, I have also seen new problems taking the place of the antiquated ones and often new ones added that now outnumber the problems of the past.

There have been too many times during my own lifetime when I questioned the reasonings of my own birth since life, while perhaps a gift, is also so rift with pain and has always been. Why would an innocent/oblivious unborn soul want to enter it? When I look at the reasons above, these appear to be selfish ideas not based on the feelings of the unborn at all, but on the desires of the living who want or need to find a 'reason' for their own existence even when they know that in the natural course of life, parents die and leave their children alone (orphaned no matter the age of the child).

Note: I have children and grandchildren (this for those who might assume that I'm 'unaware')