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This question was inspired by Killer Peaches' comment on Punch's question here:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Al.t6...

Sometimes, the mainstream impression of a particular band is so far off from reality that you just have to laugh. So let's go ahead and laugh. I am NOT looking for the REAL history of any band here.

As an example, here's my "The Popular History of Judas Priest":

Judas Priest, having formed in 1979, quickly released their popular 1980 debut album, British Steel, which contained only the two songs "Living After Midnight" and "Breaking the Law."

The very next year, also known as "the 1980s", they released their only other album, Screaming For Vengeance, which again had only two songs: "You've Got Another Thing Coming" and "Turbo Lover." They quickly disbanded, but were later rediscovered when the non-album track "The Hellion/Electric Eye" was included in the Guitar Hero series of video games.

So yeah. Obviously not the case, but I swear there's people who think this.

Pick your favorite band and see what fun "history" you can come up with!!!

So, there are millions of covers out there of various songs, but there are a couple of severe oddball songs that were, for whatever reason, considered the joint property of more than one artist.

This usually happens when they were co-written by people from different groups.

Some examples:

"Wooden Ships" was co-written by David Crosby and Paul Kantner, and released in original versions by both the Jefferson Airplane and Crosby, Stills and Nash.

"Chinese Rocks" was co-written by Richard Hell and Dee Dee Ramone and released by both the Heartbreakers and the Ramones

"China Girl" was co-written by David Bowie and Iggy Pop and was released in original versions by both of them.

MQ: What are some other songs that have multiple versions that would be considered an original, not a cover?

BQ: What are some examples of covers that are so iconic that many people *think* that they're the original version?

(Like Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" [Dylan], Buckley's "Hallelujah" [Cohen], or Elvis's "Hound Dog" [Big Mama Thornton])

Since I'm probably one of like 10 people on the planet who owns both Green Day's 21st Century Breakdown and Lou Reed's New York, this came to my attention.

It could easily be a coincidence, but it was so similar I felt the need to point it out:

Green Day, 2009:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ZKlT1EvCA

(listen to the CHORUS)

Lou Reed, 1989:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6G_EWFMds

(it's the main melody)

So, am I on to something here, or am I just being nit-picky over a common melody?

BQ: Post links to two songs where you've noticed some possible "borrowing"...

I was tooling around on facebook's apps and decided to try my hand at making a quiz.

It's about the real names of famous rock musicians.

http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/quizzes/take/134900...

So, i guess the question is: being the first thing of this sort I've ever tried to do, is it any good? Too hard? Too easy? Don't care? Don't use facebook?

MQ: What other real musician names are nothing like their famous stage names? (For example Freddie Mercury was really Farrokh Bulsara, but that wasn't included in the quiz)

I'm not even kidding here.

Scott Ian (of the mighty Anthrax, for those living under a rock) is about to be in a supergroup with people from FALL OUT BOY...

http://www.411mania.com/music/news/123022/Fall-Out...

What the hell does anyone even think about that?

Anthrax fans, are you even willing to give it a shot at all?

Does the fact that it's not Pete Wentz help any?

Does anyone even believe that this is actually happening???

When the Doors recorded the album Waiting for the Sun, the *song* "Waiting for the Sun" wasn't finished in time, and didn't get put on vinyl until two albums later (Morrison Hotel).

What are some other examples where what should have been a "title track" is actually on a different album than the one it shares its name with?

Somehow, this release got stuck out of print for years and years and years, and even now is only available buried in a box set (Let Sleeping Corpses Lie.)

The band (or just Rob, who knows) let it stay buried forever, I get a very strong vibe that people don't like it, and even allmusic.com's review basically just sh*ts all over it:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:en...

For me, personally, coming into White Zombie as a "new" band when "Thunderkiss '65" broke it huge in the early 90s, and my favorite bands being Maiden and the "Big 4" of thrash, when I picked this up from the store as my second White Zombie purchase (after La Sexorcisto, naturally), I thought it was one of the coolest things I'd ever heard.

MQ: What is your opinion of this album? (links coming in the details)

BQ: What are some other worthy albums from huge bands that seem like they should be revered, but instead just stayed buried?

Sometimes, when you're going through classics, you hear a song that sounds like it could be the blueprint for a later band's overall sound (either a slightly later band or a much later band)

These aren't gonna be perfect matches, cause all bands have their own identity, but I bet a lot of us die-hard music listeners have had this happen from time to time.

Some examples:

Slayer --> Black Sabbath's "Symptom of the Universe"

Iron Maiden --> Deep Purple's "Child in Time"

Nine Inch Nails --> Ministry's "Stigmata"

The Sex Pistols --> The Stooges' "1969"

The Ramones --> The New York Dolls' "Personality Crisis"

L7 --> The Runaways' "Cherry Bomb"

Nirvana --> The Pixies' "Wave of Mutilation"

Hopefully I've given the idea pretty well there, even if you don't agree with all of those examples.

So, go for it! Find some bands, find some songs, and post what you come up with! Feel free to reuse any band or song I listed, if you've got a better match! (Though, I personally defy anyone to find a better match for Slayer or "Symptom of the Universe" than each other)

You can also use a song by a band I listed for a later band, if you want. Just go nuts. Hopefully, it'll be fun.

What have you got?

I would seriously buy someone a beer if they could find a cover song that is a weirder interpretation of a rock song than this:

U2's original that everyone knows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fBj2wsimvQ

The German comedy group Badesalz's version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiVYqYxrvJE

So, whatcha got? Anyone heard a weirder cover than that? Share share share!

The biggest 4 examples I can think of:

Black Sabbath

Iron Maiden

Motorhead

Bad Company

These are bands with a song where the band name, album title, and song title are all the same...

(e.g. the song "Iron Maiden" off the album Iron Maiden, by the band Iron Maiden)

Who else is there?

BQ: Other bands who have a "title song" even if their debut *isn't* self-titled? (Examples include Anthrax and Overkill...)

BQ2: Band names that are used as a *different* band's song title? (An example being "Blue Oyster Cult" by Shonen Knife) And sorry, but Wesley Willis is disqualified from this BQ, since he's used every band from Alanis Morissette to Bolt Thrower

Calling all metalheads...

Not every Megadeth album could be "Rust In Peace."

It's been *clearly* demonstrated that not every Metallica album was "Master of Puppets."

However, if you're like me, you went in and bought most of the albums that your top bands ever released, either as they came out, because "Hey, it's Iron Maiden!" or because you went back and grabbed them all later ("Hey, let's go buy all 517 of those Judas Priest albums...why not? It'll make a cool picture on my CD shelf....etc.")

In this question, I want to halfway celebrate the "other" albums from some of the big guns, by having people choose favorite tracks off of them. (Whether they deserve it, or not...)

I've omitted some bands for various reasons (Pantera because all of their post-Cowboy albums are considered classics and barely anyone knows the earlier ones, Metallica because their "off albums" are FAR too documented in R&P already, etc.), but here's a crack at giving the underdog albums a chance, or basically just digging REALLY deep for good material.

SO... without further ado:

What is your FAVORITE TRACK off of each album down here that you're familiar with?

A) Megadeth's "Risk"

B) Exodus's "Force of Habit"

C) Mercyful Fate's "Into the Unknown"

D) King Diamond's "House of God"

E) Testament's "Demonic"

F) Celtic Frost's "Cold Lake"

G) Kreator's "Outcast"

H) Judas Priest's "Jugulator"

I) Iron Maiden's "No Prayer for the Dying"

J) Anthrax's "[sound of white noise]"

K) Carcass's "Swansong"

L) Bathory's "Octagon"

M) Slayer's "Diabolus In Musica"

I'll post mine in a bit.

BQ: Is any album from up there actually your favorite from that band. Why?

BQ2: Do any of those bands have an album that you feel would have fit the question better than the one I chose? Which one and why?

Holy sh*t!!!

Holy sh*t!!!

I never go all fanboy like this, but check it out:

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/...

Faith No More is back, baby!!!!

Who else (who isn't already there) wishes they could get a ticket to Europe, just to hang out there somewhere until the exact cities and dates are announced?

Also, can I just say HELL YES!!!!

MQ: Favorite Faith No More album?

MQ2: Favorite Faith No More song?

MQ3: Favorite Mike Patton project?

They are never, ever mentioned on here, but I just plain *love* Lawnmower Deth. Maybe it's because in high school, my two favorite things were death metal and comedy. But anyway, I thought they were a great mix of both, and more talented musically than you might otherwise notice because they were so ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBKWUkMEMto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nobBCY2Am4

Also, does anyone know whether their recent reunion show might be heralding any new activity? Cause that would just be awesome...

I don't think I've seen it mentioned in R&P yet, but Lux Interior of the Cramps was tragically found dead earlier today of a preexisting heart condition...

I know there's some Cramps fans on here; there's been a few questions about them lately...

I love the Cramps, and it sucks thinking about the first round of punk stars dying of old age... Seriously, what a tragic moment.

Who else loved this band and thinks this is terrible?

C.J. Ramone is almost never mentioned in rock music discussions, and he certainly didn't go down as one of the greats of anything, but I feel like he deserves a good deal of credit for what he did.

The Ramones were in serious, serious trouble when they recruited him. The original trio of Dee Dee, Joey, and Johnny was all but completely broken. Dee Dee, obviously, was so overwrought from the internal struggles boiling over that he had actually left, and Johnny and Joey weren't speaking to each other. Johnny was so checked out that he quit writing songs and (by many accounts) was barely even willing to contribute guitar parts. Marky hadn't been back for too long after first having been fired 6 years earlier for his alcoholism.

C.J. didn't get bowled over by the fact that he was filling in for a founding member of one of the most influential bands of the past twenty years at that point, nor did he shyly play his bass and stay out of the way. Instead, he rolled up his sleeves and added backing and even lead vocals (he practically split "Adios Amigos" with Joey!) to his bass duties, scouted out cool cover songs, even wrote a few originals, and generally gave the band a whole new energy that they never could have mustered between Joey, Johnny, and Marky.

But, because he was so late in the lineup, he very rarely gets the credit he's due for being a major driving force behind 6 full years (and 3 albums) worth of life that the band very likely never would have had otherwise.

So, The Question:

Who are some other rock music (almost?) heroes that really deserve to be celebrated, but usually aren't?

BQ: Anybody else a C.J. fan?

What's an album that you've known about for a long time (years, possibly), maybe even heard some stuff off of, but it wasn't until just recently that you finally got around to buying/downloading it and sat down and listened to it?

Mine: Just yesterday, after years and years of knowing that it's supposed to be amazing, and planning to get it, and even having previously heard some of the tracks, I finally bought T Rex's "The Slider"... the super-extra remastered bonus tracks version, no less! (I've had Electric Warrior for quite some time, though.) I listened all the way through The Slider yesterday and yes, that album lives up to every bit of hype it's ever received. It's just amazing. It's so good I'm almost embarrassed to admit I didn't have it before now...

So, what are all of you guys' most recent "Ah, I finally got that one!" albums?

Did Clive Burr have a little bit of the Buzzcocks totally stuck in his head when he laid down the drum track to Maiden's arguably biggest classic, or is this just a weird coincidence?

You be the judge!

(Or does the beat come from somewhere else entirely? If so, please inform me!)

Anyhow, here's the evidence. Listen to the first few seconds of each song, and it should be obvious...

Maiden (1982):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZlDZPYzfm4

..and the Buzzcocks (originally recorded 1978, but no studio version appears to be on youtube...):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf_KFRCqork

It's been a pretty sad time for musician deaths over the past year or so: Ron Asheton, Rick Wright, Isaac Hayes, Bo Diddley, Levi Stubbs, etc...

The one that has really been bugging me lately, thinking back, is Mitch Mitchell. Hendrix isn't necessary my overall favorite artist (though the Experience were certainly an amazing band), but I realized something. With Mitch's death, I think they are the first rock band to die out entirely, which is a sobering thought...

Have there been any others?

(I know the Ramones earliest original lineup is all dead, but there are several later members, from Tommy on forward, still alive, and Skynyrd took a big hit with the plane crash, but not *all* of them.)

So, is the Experience the first entire rock band casualty in music history?

For those of you who scour used CD stores (or ebay/half.com/amazon) for treasures...

Are there any record labels that you would almost always grab a CD from if you saw one, even if you knew nothing about the album, who the band are, or even who any of its members are?

(I said "indie" up there because most major labels are so spread out that having a pretty high "crap" percentage is inevitable, but you can name a major label if you like one that much, I guess...)

For me, I'd have to say SST. Following up their early success with powerhouses like Black Flag (of course), Husker Du, the Minutemen, and the Meat Puppets, they proved to be just a really solid label for anything remotely punk-tinged that was good in the 80s. I have found many, many excellent albums just by buying things indiscriminately that happened to be on SST.

How about you?

I see lot of questions looking for *new* stuff that's relatively unknown, and it got me thinking that we don't as often celebrate the *no-longer-known* music.

So...

Back when free-standing music stores were more successful and numerous in our society, they would usually have the "bargain bin", full of "cut outs" from the major record labels, which were albums which the labels had stopped supporting. Usually, this happened with bands that the label thought would be successful, signed, released one major label album which didn't sell like they hoped, and then the band got dropped again. Some of these were mediocre albums, and so it wasn't surprising, but occasionally there were really awesome albums that for whatever reason just didn't fly, so they landed in "the bin."

So, for those of you who have any clue what I'm talking about, what bands or albums would be your "best of the bargain bin"? (Or, in general, what are some bands or albums that never quite made it big, but you feel like it's a crime that they didn't?)

My nominees:

Seemless by Into Another (song: Mutate Me)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl8uYRo_34I

Screams and Whispers by Anacrusis (song: Sound the Alarm)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3RFVFkkpvA