If Predestination exists, then how can there be sin?

If God knows all, knows who is going to heaven, knows everything that you are going to go, knows every thought you have before you think or do them, then how can there be sin? If people have no free will and all their actions are in God's plan, then how can people be held responsible for doing a bad act? They would have no choice but to do the bad act, or else God would be wrong.

Anonymous2008-04-23T10:24:05Z

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Because predestinanation is false,,,God gave us a choice
he does not rule our live,s and make us do his
bidding,,we are free to do what we want and to live
for God or not,,we are under Grace not the law.

Anonymous2008-04-23T10:38:13Z

That is the problem with the doctine of predestination, it doesn't make sense and it contradicts the character of God.

First we must recognize that we are here on Earth for our benefit and learning. God does not need to see our life in order to know who we are and what we are all about. We also have to recognize we existed spiritually before we did physically and we lived with God. We came here to Earth to live our lives in accordance with the Gospel teachings. When we die, we will be judge by our own decisions and actions alone, not anyone elses.

Second we must recognize that God is a perfect in every way. All knowing and all powerful. Many people think of God as all knowing but only because he (like some mega computer) can figure out all the consequences of each decision we make. This is not true. He is literally all knowing. It is not like you can "sike him out" by appearing to make one decsion but turning around and making another totally different decsion. It makes him sound fallable, which he is not.

Also God is not a god who forces us to make the right or wrong choices. When a moral decison come to you, do angels come down and hang "the sword of justice" over your head and threaten you to make a decision? Do you ever want to choose something and feel a power take hold of you and make you choose another? It sounds ridiculous.

He knows what decisions we will make in life, period. He knows what will happen to us in life. He knows everything about us, therefore, as a perfect being, he knows what will happen to us at judgement day.

Anonymous2008-04-23T11:00:04Z

God is never wrong. God did give us free will. The opportunity to do the right thing.

Steve2008-04-23T18:25:51Z

Predestination does not preclude human responsibility. On contrary, our actions confirm what has God has predestined.

Though man has the free will, however its bondage to sin. Man, by his fall into a state of sin, had wholly lost all ability of will to do any spiritual good accompanying salvation.

Though man has free will to choose good or evil, man always chooses what God has predestined.

Judah Iscariot exercised his free will by betraying Jesus to the cross; nevertheless, Judah by his (free will) action fulfilled what God had predestined before the foundation of world; “Jesus the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of world.”

"For those God foreknew he also PREDESTINED to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, …and those he PREDESTINED, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." Romans 8:29-30

"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy... having PREDESTINED us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His His will Ephesians." 1:4-5

“For the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls,…“Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated’. …Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens…..Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?” Romans 9:11,12,18,21

Special EPhex2008-04-23T10:27:14Z

You presume that this is you only life time. You have to consider that life takes in a series of incarnations and never stops. From this point of view sin is as part of life as eating and sleeping. All thing return to its source, this is a universal and scientific law. If a pebble is dropped in a pond the ripples expand to the edge of the pond and then return to the epicenter. It takes some longer than others to get it, but ultimately we return Home. All material concepts and concerns are only that. Free will, right and wrong, sin, all belong to the material universe. We are beyond them.

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