If Predestination exists, then how can there be sin?

Because predestinanation is false,,,God gave us a choice

he does not rule our live,s and make us do his

bidding,,we are free to do what we want and to live

for God or not,,we are under Grace not the law.

That is the problem with the doctine of predestination, it doesn't make sense and it contradicts the character of God.

First we must recognize that we are here on Earth for our benefit and learning. God does not need to see our life in order to know who we are and what we are all about. We also have to recognize we existed spiritually before we did physically and we lived with God. We came here to Earth to live our lives in accordance with the Gospel teachings. When we die, we will be judge by our own decisions and actions alone, not anyone elses.

Second we must recognize that God is a perfect in every way. All knowing and all powerful. Many people think of God as all knowing but only because he (like some mega computer) can figure out all the consequences of each decision we make. This is not true. He is literally all knowing. It is not like you can "sike him out" by appearing to make one decsion but turning around and making another totally different decsion. It makes him sound fallable, which he is not.

Also God is not a god who forces us to make the right or wrong choices. When a moral decison come to you, do angels come down and hang "the sword of justice" over your head and threaten you to make a decision? Do you ever want to choose something and feel a power take hold of you and make you choose another? It sounds ridiculous.

He knows what decisions we will make in life, period. He knows what will happen to us in life. He knows everything about us, therefore, as a perfect being, he knows what will happen to us at judgement day.

God is never wrong. God did give us free will. The opportunity to do the right thing.

Predestination does not preclude human responsibility. On contrary, our actions confirm what has God has predestined.

Though man has the free will, however its bondage to sin. Man, by his fall into a state of sin, had wholly lost all ability of will to do any spiritual good accompanying salvation.

Though man has free will to choose good or evil, man always chooses what God has predestined.

Judah Iscariot exercised his free will by betraying Jesus to the cross; nevertheless, Judah by his (free will) action fulfilled what God had predestined before the foundation of world; “Jesus the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of world.”

"For those God foreknew he also PREDESTINED to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, …and those he PREDESTINED, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." Romans 8:29-30

"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy... having PREDESTINED us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His His will Ephesians." 1:4-5

“For the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls,…“Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated’. …Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens…..Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?” Romans 9:11,12,18,21

You presume that this is you only life time. You have to consider that life takes in a series of incarnations and never stops. From this point of view sin is as part of life as eating and sleeping. All thing return to its source, this is a universal and scientific law. If a pebble is dropped in a pond the ripples expand to the edge of the pond and then return to the epicenter. It takes some longer than others to get it, but ultimately we return Home. All material concepts and concerns are only that. Free will, right and wrong, sin, all belong to the material universe. We are beyond them.

questions are always good ... especially about religion, beliefs, worship.

we are all born to die ... what is played out in the interim is between us and God. we are spiritual beings on a earthly journey ... but even with that all being said ... we actually don't know all the answers all the time. theory, conjectures, beliefs ... change with the wind ... just like you and I do.

Just because I know what my daughter is going to do with her boyfriend doesn't mean I'm allowing it. Her free will ALLOWS her to act against my wishes.

God knows what we will do every step of the way! And loves us in spite of it! Its not how we start or middle of the race it is how we finish! Make sure you do. Christ is the way!

Why should God be held to human standards of right and wrong?

He knows all, yes.

We have a choice, yes

Does He know what we are going to choose, yes

Does He accept our choice, yes.

Nothing under the sun happens unless God allows it, yes.

He lets us to have our free will within His limits of it.